They say we are poor, Are we ?

For the last one year there is an increase in the Karachi traffic. The number of vehicles and their models just buzz my mind like anything. I think Musharraf is quite right. Who can say we are a poor nation. Every other person is snatching one. Is that a mirage or what ? Few days back i met a guy complaining about poverty and low income. This guy’s salary is RS 5000 & has a latest NOKIA set. Doest it makes any sense. Where are we heading ?

Have we become that materialistic or what ?? Every one is making sure he contributes to make others life a misery and still complains about his condition. Am i being too pessimistic ? Need an neutral view.

20 Comments so far

  1. Mansoor 'Manny' Siddiqui (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 7:35 pm

    I know what you are talking about. That’s true that we are getting materialistic (read way toooooo materialistic) but I don’t agree that we are not poor!.

    I think there is couple of reasons for this materialistic nature of our people:

    (1) Media explosion where people get to see the glittering world everywhere! Media have been presenting a very glamorous view of the life and things around us; It’s everywhere, in dramas, in music videos, etc.

    (2) Westernization! Which is a good thing to an extent but copying West in each and every aspect of life is not something I am all for! What would you say about the person who is making 10000 rupees a month but daily goes to KFC/Pizza Hut for lunch? Come on now, it does not make sense, does it?

    Do you know why there are robberies and lota maari in Karachi, or in any other city for that matter? Just b/c of “unavailability of ways to fulfill one’s needs” and I make two broad categories of people who rob others:

    (a) One who is jobless and has to feed his family; since no job means no money, hence they go astray and do bad things like robbing others so that they could feed their own families;

    (b) One who does not have enough money to get what they want, they go and rob others!

    If I were a judge and two mujrims are brought into my court for ruling, I would let the person in category A go b/c he robbed others b/c he wanted to feed his family, unlike the person in Category B who robbed others so that he could go and buy a brand new Toyota!

    Again, I am not against Westernization or something but I want people to realize kay apni chadar daikh ker pair phailaou, that’s all!

  2. Poo poo Head (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 8:28 pm

    How many can have latest cell phones with 5000 Rs Salary ? Are you impying that he got it from some robbery ??? Here in US, we finance every thing from cars to homes. Simple rule , your home installment should not be greater than 1/4th of your take home salary and car mortgage should not be greater than 1/15th or 1/10th if you prefer luxury car(that’s my rule by the way). Going this definition the people financing all cars in Karachi should be making like 200 thousands in Pakistan but I guess they are not, how could people pay 1/3rd (my assumption) for car every month ??? Don’t they have any other expenses ?? Can some body who is financing or leasing car in Karachi could shed light on it ???

  3. MB (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 8:44 pm

    You are quite right not many can afford latest cell with 5000. But mentioning that was just to show how crazy few are getting after material gains, irrespective of what they can afford and what they cannot. They argue that “shoq da koi mul nai” (in Punjabi). I wonder why they are sacrificing basic needs for such “shoq” or you can “shock” as well.

    To the other point, no i was not saying he robbed or something. Just wanted to convey that he was sacrificing some basic needs of life for himself and his family to get that thingy, which in this case i will not call “shoq” but more of a show of approval of his tendency of being materialistic. Thought he might not be realizing it and may suffer later when he badly need that money someday.

    As for comparing USA with KHI. I dont know that would be a great idea . I guess people here get impress more with such things than people there do, when they see them on TV or else.

  4. raven (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 8:53 pm

    KM Bloggers: No offence, but I think you need to screen candidates for your exalted ranks.

  5. DarthVader (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 8:59 pm

    Dear MB , if this post was an attempt to start a
    thought-provoking , mind stretching , philosophical discussion on the decadent ways of Modern Society , let me just say that it fell flat on its face . Plato is probably turning in his grave right about now.
    your mind is “abuzz by number of vehicles and their models”…hmm…. I am dumbfounded.
    I thought LSD and E were more akin to do that kind of thing .
    Also , never saw a post/comment from you before , how the fuck did you become a author to KHI blog???

  6. Original-anon (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 9:02 pm

    Hey did you delete my comment? Starting early, are we?
    By the way what is a “hell increase”?

  7. MB (unregistered) on March 9th, 2006 @ 9:07 pm

    Hey fellows, what we are here upto ?. Whats the point in deviating from the topic ?. Dont want to participate in it thats fine. No need to say negative about it as well.

  8. striker (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 5:39 am

    hey MB
    dotn worry about those
    -ve remarks from poo poo head and orignal anon or
    who ever it is…this is their job thats what they are here for, i m reading this bolgs from the very beginning, the readers were all ok but few months back these two sick minds showed up with
    comeletly sucking attitude,
    they react to every post in the same as they responded to yours so dont waste your time paying attention to them

  9. Inspirex (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 6:44 am

    couldnt agree more with striker dude….
    ur job here is to just port on….and leave the rest….:)

    we just put them here to spur our ideas…:)
    original anon and poo poo head: thanks for helping us finding new things to write about….

  10. Shiraz (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 7:02 am

    Hey Original Anon! Speak for yourself buddy cause you sure as hell don’t speak for me. So don’t try to include yourself with me or other readers here because we don’t all think like you. Neither do I come here to rip people apart or criticize what they write. It’s a Bog not your homework. I know you have nothing better to do with your time rather come here and try to get some attention. You speak for yourself not for me ok. The comments you make are immature and stupid and I thought I would let you know. My request to other readers would be to ignore his comments and as I can tell already many have already started to do so. Anon what you write here is purely just your opinion and nothing else. The way I look at it, its garbage. I’ll do my best to ignore your pile of junk you put up here every day. MB if you are new here then I welcome you here. Write what you want and what you have to don’t worry about the rest. Good luck.

  11. MB (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 10:28 am

    “You as authors decide what to write and how to write it. Then, we the readers decide how to take your post apart, what to respond to, what to criticize.”

    OH So, are you telling me you have every right to be abusive (for no reason) ?. I should ignore you abusing. I had only asked for a response about the topic. If due to any reason you feel like it’s a sick topic, fine. Why being personal? Why “itna gusaa”(read POO POO comments)

    Consider this one:-

    A : Hi friend , how are you ?

    B : Fuck off

    A : What you mean ?

    B : Get lost you AH

    A : Why you being abusive ?

    B : Its my right, why did you welcome me

    So using words like “fuck” are welcoming notes?? (Referring to one previous post that I deleted) Hey if you don’t want to participate, fine. Your stupid attitude let the topic some where else. You are the guys who just cannot talk on some issue with some sense except POO POO who criticized with some sense. As for others, If you think the topic is not worth your participation. That’s fine. No one is forcing you to participate. Just because you had a lot of garbage in mind and were not finding a place to throw somewhere so you thought lets get this one.

    I guess STRIKER told me enough about your sick mentality that just wants some attention. As for ANON, sorry dude your comments are like a garbage. “Nobody begged you to come write here”. So nobody begged you to come here as well if you had suck crap to show. The other comments are not worth replying.

    As for POO POO’s comments: “The comments should NOT be deleted at all unless they are abusive”. I have exactly done that. Let me clear one thing to guys with sick minds. If you use abusive words I will delete them. Don’t need your Aristocratic thoughts about freedom of speech. You need to get to its sense not me. I will let go what I feel like letting go for a neutral reader. I don’t want him to feel sick just because of your immature attitude like you guys are trying to, just to get attention.

    Okay get this straight. I will delete any post that is abusive. You can argue and give opinion but don’t keep coming asking I should allow you to abuse as that’s the only lingo you know. I did not beg you to fill my page with comments.

  12. Moiz Kazmi (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 10:56 am

    haha !!!
    u guys r funny !! LOL

  13. Discreet Madness (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

    Hey, what’s all this fuss about getting *materialistic* … isn’t it human, to begin with??? How can you expect a person to stop desiring what’s desirable in life …
    Many of us want to drive an M3 coupe, wear a Patek Phillipe, cruise Alaska and have Ebi Tempura for breakfast, lunch and dinner, … if we stoppped desiring, we’d have no motivation to work or for that matter live for another day ! …
    and yes, we all appreciate a walk on the beach at sunset, to be able to hug our moms and say I’m soooo tired, to be able to tickle our children and watch them laugh, do the crossword in Dawn, and enjoy simpler pleasures in life …
    Chill MB, and get yourself some Limo pani :D

  14. bq (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 4:11 pm

    we need to stick to the point tat started this discusiion other then showing your english skills or the burgerism of ones !

    dear mb u are absolutely right we need to think about all this
    on the other hand we all know that having a latest hand set in hand is a status symbol but one thing i would like to add here is we are not poor for sure its the policies of the goverment and other higherups who hav added this in tere political agenda to gain world attention and to getmore money out of IMF and world bank .

    looking into the GDP of the country our economy is getting better by day alhamdullilah
    and i want all of u to prey to god for this lovely country pakistan

  15. MB (unregistered) on March 10th, 2006 @ 11:47 pm

    I guess they wont change their behavior so its no use saying more to them.

    (1)Faisal : Read reasons for their deletion. Hey, by the way i like this word “simply atrocious”

    (2)Discreet : I completely agree with you that “if we stoppped desiring, we’d have no motivation to work or for that matter live for another day !”. And “Materialistic” word was used in sense of priority which means that materialism driving the person rather then person being in full control of the needs. It was refering to this case, the person getting 5000 salary with latest NOKIA set.

    (3)BQ : You are quite right when you say ” the policies of the goverment and other higherups who hav added this in tere political agenda to gain world attention and to getmore money out of IMF and world bank “. I would like to add to it that i guess they do it to have their share of money. And you know exactly what money i am talking about. The more the get from these organization the more their share.

    I guess the media has a lot to play here.The way media these days is projecting “materialism” ( with reference to what i said earlier) as important part, they are not doing that much for the basic needs i.e Education, Health etc. But yes i will agree there are few channels which are doing excellent job in this regard like GEO NEWS & ARY ONE NEWS but others need to catch up as well.

  16. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on March 11th, 2006 @ 1:26 am

    I want new Nokia , could I borrow money from IMF .
    MB you are true patriot ;0-) .

  17. Maaz A. Khan (unregistered) on March 11th, 2006 @ 11:50 am

    You see the number of cars increasing on the road.. But have you ever been to a low-income area, ppl have stop drinking milk in tea because of this bull-shit inflation… Pardon me, I cant say any better!

  18. Original-anon (unregistered) on March 13th, 2006 @ 5:12 am

    You know MB, I don’t let go so easily; You lied that I wrote profane words in my comment that you chose to delete. I wish you would be brave enough to acknowledge that and apologize for your lie. Don’t hide behind the ‘no use saying any more to them’.
    Also, the ‘suck crap'(your words, I am NOT given to profanity) that I wrote in my ‘we the readers’ comment is actually a modified copy of your esteemed captain’s message to all of us hapless readers.So, do tell him what you think of his writing.

  19. momers (unregistered) on March 13th, 2006 @ 7:31 am

    hey hi,

    just briefly read the into to your article.
    Just head out to rural pakistan and you will see how rich we really are.
    Its easy to feel a sense of euphoria while sitting in our comfy houses and in out major cities.
    Yet a big majority of pakistanis are not city dwellers. and cell phones by no means signify absence of poverty!
    cell phoen is now a utility not a luxury…a very basic utility that enables one to communicate. so look at a cellphoen as more than just a cell phone.

    And trust me…i had that illusion a while back…hey wvery one has a car and a cell phone and they say we are poor?
    Just take a road trip outside of the city centers…and you shall see what poverty really is.

  20. MB (unregistered) on March 13th, 2006 @ 9:40 am

    @ MAAZ: Yeah quite right.” ppl have stop drinking milk in tea because of this bull-shit inflation”. That’s alarming. Completely agree.

    @WASIQ: Don’t worry dude. I would love to show others some filth there here in KMB as that’s the reality. As for the other way I know how easy it is to make this all “presentable” to others. Don’t worry about that. And you know what I mean. Few of my friends have already read it all and I have not done what they have asked me to do. It will be pretty bad with these kids. Don’t know if they themselves want it or not.

    @ANON: I did not lie and I stood by my words. You keep on crying now.

    @MOMERS: “Just head out to rural Pakistan and you will see how rich we really are.” Well you are quite right but at the same time I have quite a lot of friends who have relatives In rural areas and they have told me stories like people wasting wealth like nothing. One family sold their lands for 80 odd lakh and they bought 2 luxurious cars and now planning for a big one. Guess what? Their children go to a local school and its fee is around 500 something and they make hue and cry over it been unfair and about how tough it is to bear the burden of their children’s studies. See the point that I mentioned earlier as well is “sacrificing basic needs over material (again I will say in terms of it being a priority) gains has become quite common”. Now its obvious that the government services are quite pathetic but at least one should use his resources , in what ever form they are , money or else, in a way that fulfill the basic needs first and then other.

    But at the same time you are quite right in saying that “take a road trip outside of the city centers…and you shall see what poverty really is.” So is it that the gap is widening or what, that is making the opinion difference?. Because when we see one side we say hey everything is going fine and when we see the other, disparity takes over

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