A case of Shame

I don’t know if there is any Hyderabad Blog or forum around (a credible one if not popular) and I don’t know if I should post this one here but I felt so upset over the news that three kids being locked up in Hyderabad by police on the charge of theft. What a nation we are. So many left the country after plundering the nation with billions and now enjoying their lives abroad and nothing done against them in years now and a 6 year old, a long with two others ( 7 years and 12 years) being locked up for stealing an object (may be a 100 rupee note or a 500 one). And guess what, the district magistrate of Hyderabad handed the kids over to police for one more day on remand.

This is just not a case of police mishandling. It’s rather a case of human values declining fast in our society. Yesterday I was watching Javaid Chaudhry on PTV. He rightly pointed out a point which I don’t know how many picked. He said we are not far behind in materialistic progress from WEST. What we are lacking, & continuously on a road of decline is moral progress or social ethics. A lawyer rightly called the magistrate a “wahshi” in his comments in news yesterday.

The latest news is all the three have been released (http://jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-daily/18-04-2006/main/update.shtml#12) but I just wonder how many of such incidents reach a big news channel like GEO.

People need to be made aware of their rights which they don’t know. The situation in this case is very pathetic even for the literates, what to talk about illiterates. His major concern is having bread every day. We, the ones with the power of communicational resources need to contribute in our capacity as such incidents take place around us but we ignore. They are humans too, remember. They are our brothers & sisters.

27 Comments so far

  1. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 3:06 pm

    They (those in power) can’t & could not catch big fishes even with their BIG powers. They can’t even catch those whom every one knows have looted billions. They have to keep their status and position safe. They need to show they are functioning. Everybody is corrupt, police arrest children’s because it is only what they can do, and magistrate issues senseless orders because he has to show he is working (shame on him that he showed it this way). Our moral values are declining because we are humanly becoming insensitive. It’s not that only policemen or magistrates are corrupt.

    Everyone including me and you has to be blamed; these peoples have emerged from us. We have collectively made them behave like that. It is only going to change by changing the behaviors, by making yourself sensitive. By feeling the pain of others in your heart if not being a Muslim then at least for being a human.

    Do you think people are going to do the same when every such move drives the people crazy? Why don’t people turn out in large number and put everyone’s attention to such incidents. And turning out does not mean coming on road. It means participating in our capacity. It will help lessen such inhumane incidents and eliminate one day. We only encourage such practices by remaining quiet.


  2. MB (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

    Great thoughts sami. But dont you think those who are in power have more responsibility ?. Though i dont agree with the fact that we should sit idle.


  3. IllusionFS (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 5:41 pm

    Thanks for bringing this up MB.

    I dont know how many of you watched this program on a local tv called “Criminals Most Wanted”. It just makes me think how silly our Police Dept. really is and what their priorities are. I dont think that the muggers in our city should be left free, but dedicating a 30 minute tv Program on a satellite channel to a couple – muggers – who snatch mobile phones on the streets of karachi is not very sensible. I mean, these people are extremely poor anyways and they steal in order to buy food for their families – once again I am not supporting their acts. The police acts as if they have done their work and that the city is all safe and happy.
    My point is we all know about the curropt politicians and of how they have robbed our country of its pride/dignity/resources. And what we do in return, we dedicate 1 hour shows to them (Ik Din GEO K sath on GEO) instead of actually showing them on “Criminals Most Wanted”. I am sorry to say but we live in a hypocritical society and its curropted to its very deepest roots.

    This country is a living hell for poor people. May God give them strength to improve their lives.


  4. MB (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 6:09 pm

    Thanks ILLUSIONFS.

    Yes I do watch both the programs when ever I get a chance. But frankly I watch Ik Din GEO Ke Sath on GEO when a human (a person with clean hands) comes as a guest and not those filthy politicians etc.

    As for your point “The police acts as if they have done their work and that the city is all safe and happy”. I fully agree with you and would like to add that sometimes it looks to me sometimes as if the LAW is for the poor, as if it’s a stick to treat them as animals, specially when I see and hear such incidents.

    I guess our news channels are still way behind when it comes to investigative reporting. They are more towards catching the public viewer ship. They are doing good a job to some extent but I see the great potential lies on the shoulders of people who have resources of at least informing the public their rights and duties.


  5. talal (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 9:50 pm

    QUETTA – April 17, 2006: Children arrested from a snooker club in Baldia Plaza on the charge of betting (www.dawn.com) check News in Pictures.

    This was the most shameful news i read on today’s dawn. Its more or less the same thing what you have mentioned MB. Our country’s police department is so *farigh* that they are now picking up kids for betting in a local snooker club.. i mean what is wrong going on over here..this simply shows that police department is useless..i agree there might be some honest officers but the image of the department is of a corrupt and futile one. They are *mazloom* they cant pick up on real criminals *jo mulk ko bech ke sub khajatay hain* the police has no authority anytime anywhere..

    another news in todays dawn:
    MUZAFFARABAD – April 17, 2006: An earthquake survivor is detained during a demonstration here on Monday in protest over non-payment of compensation for their homes destroyed in the quake.

    As shown in the picutre, the survivor was maybe beaten up or just taken into control and detained by our police for showing his feelings over lack of concern shown by the authorities in providing compensation to him and other victims.

    another one in todays dawn:
    KARACHI – April 17, 2006: Vehicles turn around as policemen fire teargas shells to disperse students during a clash between two groups in the Islamia college on Monday

    the fight was between two groups of students and all the people on that road had to suffer from teargas fired by police.

    last one in todays dawn:
    LAHORE – April 17, 2006: A driver fined for bringing a two-stroke rickshaw on The Mall on Monday

    This one is pretty funny on part of police department. I ask what the hell is going wrong with them.. they are charging a fine to a poor ricksaw driver for brining his vehicle on *The Mall* are – whatever place is that i dont know.. but this really shows and proof that *zulm hamesha kamzor aur ghareeb par hi hota hai*

    The system is going inefficient day by day.. yes all of you guys are right somethign should be done at all levels. Concerned authorities should look up on these issues and citizens, including myself, who are aware of the faults in the system should take part in making the society a better place to live. WE really need to think (and implement) in what ways we can contribute to eliminate or atleast decrease the level of ignorance and curroption in our society !


  6. MB (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 10:45 pm
  7. IllusionFS (unregistered) on April 18th, 2006 @ 11:04 pm

    stop spamming mb.


  8. Jay the big J (Jamash) (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 12:07 am

    Not only that, if you see the Child abuse figures in our country you will be even more shocked according to some reports there is one child abuse case in every Four hour and more then 70% of cases go undetected, Un reported ..

    We are being cruel to children, Look at them at streets begging, working at work shops and Tea houses, and Malabaree hotels ( The road side restaurants).


  9. Cy (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 2:23 am

    I don’t know how many of you bothered to read link to The News, but here is a bit that left me bemused:

    “Thereafter, the Session Judge went to the Central Jail here at 3.00 A.M in the dead of night and gave a written order of grating bail to the child Asad, 13 on personal surety to Superintendent Jail, Muzaffar Alam Siddiqui, who told the session judge that the child could not be released right now, as according to jail laws the inmate could not be set free during the jail closure time. However, he assured that the child would be released in the morning immediately after the opening of the jail.”

    Apparently you can illegally arrest children and chuck them into jails, but when it comes to releasing them you have to follow the book. Bah!


  10. MB (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 6:43 am

    @ILLUSIONFS: I was dodged by the browser dude. I have corrected it now.

    @CY: Absolutely right. That was the whole point that i mentioned earlier that the poor is treated as cattle. The law as it seems is only for them. Good joke by the Superintendent Jail.


  11. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 10:27 am

    let’s turn this topic into a constructive discussion.

    what in your opinions will be an effective and yet implementable solution to make law enforcement agencies start function correctly ? I don’t have authoring rights otherwise this question should be posed on a new topic.


  12. MB (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

    Well, if you are talking particularly in terms of LAW enforcing agencies then the first need is having them understand a difference between an animal & human. Then there should be moral training following the technical training. And along with this their salaries also need to have a human face. I mean, come on, its bullshit to have a 5000 salary in this era of inflation. Why they risk their lives for 5000 with no benefits (don’t tell me about those shit peanuts, they say they are benefits). After this there should be huge amount towards their resources as their equipment is 500 years old.


  13. IllusionFS (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 2:34 pm

    MB: I do think that the salary is low, but as far as:

    “Why they risk their lives for 5000 with no benefits”

    .. the private security guards get 3000 a month, and they risk their lives too. In many cases, they are in more danger than the policeman.


  14. MB (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

    Absolutely right IllusionFS, but two wrongs don’t make one right dear. It’s bad that private security guards are getting 3000 only. That is also wrong but the duties of a private security guard and a police man are quite different I guess. Private security guards don’t have any power of using state machinery for their own purpose. That’s one big disadvantage to them and that is obvious as they are privately hired. But the risk factor is there as well, you are quite right.

    But more of a salary it’s the matter of morals that is the real case. After all many people who barely mange less then 5000 are some how or the other managing their families so low salaries is an issue for them not a pretext enough to be an animal.


  15. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

    First there should be a bribery free environment. then most of corrupt minded who enters the Police just because of lucrative bribery benefits would stop entering into it.
    Now, there will be less kaali bhaiday entering, ppl wud be get in based on merit.


  16. MB (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 3:33 pm

    No i dont think so that thats the way to go about it. Most of people who are clean before joining the police do end up in same dirt. But Before i can say anything can you please explain a little more how to reach this goal of a “bribery free environment” ?


  17. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 19th, 2006 @ 5:31 pm

    That’s very difficult in an environment where everyone from top to bottom is corrupt. Clean people get themselves dirty because they find it impossible to escape the dirt in a 99% dirty environment. If the dirt percentage could be decrease to appreciable level of course everyone will not land in the dirty place.

    I am quite frustrated while thinking of a way to minimize bribery. It’s not possible without checks and balances & the agony is that those who are responsible for checks and balances are themselves corrupt because we usually set thieves to catch thieves.

    A way could be a neutral organization closely monitors the functioning of them.


  18. MB (unregistered) on April 20th, 2006 @ 9:01 am

    Well i agree to you on that but why do we need organizations, rules, restrictions & all that when we land into a chaos. Why do we don’t have those morals which binds a human to exercise a habit of self answering. I guess that path that we understand is the one that goes to a stick. Cannot we be tamed without a stick? Do we need an organization do tell people not to spit “paan” according to your logic.

    There are already quite a few institutions theoretically aimed at keeping and eye on such things but they seem to be non-functioning because of the reasons we all agreed upon previously.


  19. redsnapper (unregistered) on April 20th, 2006 @ 10:51 am

    @SAMI @MB:

    Yes, I agree with most of what each of you are saying.

    I also see many reforms failing because the attempts have mostly been either botched up or insincere. And then the ones who have the power to make the change excuse themselves by saying “oh, these people dont deserve it”. Yes, I have heard it privately and you might have too.

    In any case, one must never give up as you have rightly demonstrated.

    But at the same time, with so much to improve, anyone raising a voice loses focus. End corruption: yes, but how ? When it is all over as you pointed out ? In absence of honest governance, this single point is the cause of failure in my view: dilution of focus.

    The second problem is that when we raise our voice, it is restricted to drawing rooms, internet and, to some extent (and limited) to media. It is totally out of sync with reality. By reality I mean those in power, those who bring them to power, the streets, the majority of people.

    Can you imagine the people of Lyari or those in middle class neighborhoods raising their voice to get mass transit in our city ? Unfortunately many wouldn’t even know of the possibility !!

    Anyway, enough ranting …

    Recently Islamabad police (traffic – the relatively less controversial kind) has been revamped. There are praises all around. Better salaries, better education, training and facilities. They do collect fines but are usually known not to compromise.

    Karachi could have something similar as a start. While this might bring some sanity to our roads, everyone will have a good reference point to ask for more.

    Some might say, “Well, has it solved all our problems ?”. Of course not. But does it solve one problem that affects us everyday on the road ? Yes.

    The above is just one example, you may have something different in mind. But whatever it is, it needs to be focused and reachable in the short term.

    How to ask for it ? Only public pressure can get anyone anything in today’s world. Persistent public pressure. Fortunately for Islamabad, they don’t any public pressure to get something good. Rest of us do.


  20. Ramla A. (unregistered) on April 20th, 2006 @ 11:20 pm

    Just feed the people, give them clothes and food and education – and they will get their moral bearings right.

    Nobody eats lectures and concerns.

    Here is a micro-credit website that I have learnt of: http://www.pmn.org.pk/ It has links to many organizations involved in giving micro-loans to the poor on no-interest to very low-interest basis. In Lahore, there’s at least one called Akhuwat run by Amjad Saqib. Their website is gone, but here is the archive link: http://web.archive.org/web/20050308001255/http://www.akhuwat.org/

    Feeding and educating the poor will solve their problems – so that they won’t go about runing their lives.


  21. MB (unregistered) on April 21st, 2006 @ 10:11 am

    @redsnapper: I completely agree with you. Except the fact that emphasis was on people with power. The dukandar, the taxi driver, what about them. It’s not the people in power every time. The rickshaw wala knows very well what is his “halal” amount that he should ask and what is “haraam” but do we need the higher powers always to check his morals ?. The point is its not power thing every time, but yes it is a lot weight.

    @RAMLA: Well being a hard advocate of education I fully agree to you but using the word “Just” is not the right way as I just mentioned up there that there are moral things that uneducated can do to clean their morals. There are uneducated people in civilized world but they don’t go on breaking rules every time. There are civil servants with low salaries there but they don’t go on plundering nation in government organizations. Yes it is a big factor but it does not justify (and I know you didn’t mean it that was as well). Anyhow, I completely agree with you for food, clothes and education. And thanks for the links as well.


  22. misha (unregistered) on April 21st, 2006 @ 10:12 am

    Moral development/spcial ethics in the West? You must be kidding.

    The trouble is not that people do not know their rights, the trouble is that nobody will ensure they get them. I know I am entitled to certain things, such as a lawyer, if I am arrested, however, if the police should decide to keep me from seeing one, or even anyone else who comes in to try and free me, and apply “interrogation” techniques instead, who shall I appeal to? Nobody will ensure a person’s rights in this country, which is why people don’t bother asking for them.


  23. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 21st, 2006 @ 5:07 pm

    @misha

    Who is “nobody”? You are nobody, I am nobody, and we are nobody. Stop doing what the whole nation has been doing for last 59 years. We should see our own collars if we give what others have a right on. You should ensure that you don’t snatch someone’s right at your own place. As for you logic regarding “if I am arrested, however, if the police should decide to keep me from seeing one, or even anyone else who comes in to try and free me, and apply “interrogation” techniques instead, who shall I appeal to?”. That is absolute right but then again it’s not the matter of only police. You take way right but wasting time in public offices as well. It’s all just the matter of doing the duty correctly at ones own places. The police will try to not let you get your right but in that case we are assuming that you are a clean person. It applies to all. You just cannot sit down at home saying no one will give me the right. What about you (not specifically you, meaning we all) taking away others right at our places.


  24. misha (unregistered) on April 21st, 2006 @ 11:26 pm

    “You take way right but wasting time in public offices as well.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by that. In this city (for discussion’s sake I’ll limit myself to the city, although the problem is obviously far more widespread), there are those who are in no position to take away anyone’s else’s right and then there are those who have the power to usurp another’s rights. The former we don’t have to worry about in this case and the latter you can’t stop. Being just a student, I do count myself in the former category.

    My example of a police lockup is not meant to be limiting to just that situation, I mean in any situation, whether what you are doing is right or wrong, you are impeded. I can recall several instances I have faced myself in which even to get something that is legal and my right, I have to slip someone or the other a little something. If I want something illegal done, it’s the same, but just a matter of an exponential price increase. Good or bad, legal or not, anything can be done. This is the system we live in. I don’t mean to burst your optimistic little bubble here but your solution about everyone minding their own rights and not usurping anyone else’s is highly unrealistic and a bit naive to boot.


  25. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 22nd, 2006 @ 12:22 pm

    Highly Unrealistic Only because we all think on the same tone. We only tends to think that its not possible.

    Nothing is unrealistic or impossible, its your brain which is rusted. Realising the problem and regarding it as solvable is the first step towards solution. We can’t do wonders until we drop saying “yaar is ka kuch nahi hone wala”

    “Everything which is Impossible Remains to be Accomplished !” ( Einstein )


  26. MB (unregistered) on April 22nd, 2006 @ 12:56 pm

    I completely agree with Mr. Sami.

    It’s our attitude again which lets us down. The attitude of “kuch nahi hosakta”, attitude of thinking negatively on a pretext that it’s unrealistic and the attitude of giving up when we see hurdle all our way. Look at China. They were a nation of “herioncheez” 50 years back and look at them now.

    We have all the ingredients of a strong nation but they are all hidden (or forgotten purposely even by good people possibly because so that we can adjust to the corrupt society because we think because the next person is corrupt so instead of fighting him/her ( and its not easy that is obvious & at times near impossible considering many situations like the one MISHA told us about) and trying to show him that he/she needs to be changed for our good attitude instead of we curbing our good morals and “adjusting” to his/her attitude.

    As for that comment: “You take way right but wasting time in public offices as well “.
    I think it was “by” instead of “but” in that sentence. Sami knows better


  27. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on April 22nd, 2006 @ 6:34 pm

    @MISHA

    Quote: “there are those who are in no position to take away anyone’s else’s right”

    What do you say about People smoking in public, thus taking away the rights of a hazard free Air from everyone around?

    This is one example, there could be thousand others but we don’t take notice because we have become immune and insensitive.

    This is the personal ethical/civic/moral sense (the original point of this thread) for which the “People in Power” are not responsible, obviously they are suppose to look into them in broader control but you cannot expect Musharraf to tell the person not to throw garbage on road, to not sell milk for 50 paisa over its real price etc. We at our very own have to develop such morals.



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