Guide to Traveling in Public Buses

Traveling in public buses of Karachi is a unique experience. And I use the term unique loosely. Traveling by buses for over a year and half now, ever since university started, has given me an insight on what to expect, what can happen and what to avoid. Traveling to and from my internship this summer has brought back all the rules I learnt and observations I made.

So without further ado, I present to you, my Guide to Traveling in Karachi’s Public Buses

* Get on a bus that already has at least one other female. No ride is worth feeling uncomfortable with the eyes of x number of men on you.

* Irrational fear is nothing to be ashamed of while getting on a bus. Don’t if you’re uncomfortable. Give your gut the benefit of doubt. Better safe than sorry. Better wait than worry.

* Avoid sitting on seats whose backs are connected to the men’s side at all costs. If you have no choice and you must, then never, and I mean never rest your back on the seat. If you do then your chances of being molested by poking fingers and groping hands increases ten-folds.

* Don’t ever make eye contact with anyone on the bus and never on the roadside while you’re waiting for your bus.

* Learn to ignore rude remarks/comments. The leery, suggestive, sexual and the threatening ones. Also any other kind thrown at you. Pretend you didn’t hear.

* Dress conservatively if you’re going to travel by bus. While I’m all for wear whatever you want and it’s not anyone’s business, the rules change on a roadside and in the bus. You’re open to public scrutiny and it’s never kind and NEVER respectful. While this doesn’t stop the behavior a female is subjected to, it also doesn’t aggravate it.

* Keep your face blank. And your back straight. No emotion whatsoever. Especially when you’re waiting by the road for your bus to arrive. Be wary of Roadside Romeos.

* Never look in the men’s compartment. There will always be someone staring at you. No need to get yourself unduly uncomfortable.

* Take care of your purse/bag…you’ll encounter a pick pocket sooner or later.

* Avoid confrontations unless it’s absolutely necessary. Avoid bringing undue attention to yourself.

* Always be kind to children on the bus. Smile at them and never scowl. You have no idea how scared children can be of being squashed against strange people. And how far your kind gesture can go.

* Give an old lady, who had to be helped up on the bus, your place, no matter how long your ride may be.

* Never give off the impression that you think yourself better than the the others. In that bus you’re all equal…suffocating in the heat, surrounded by the same smells and paying the same fare.

* Keep a perfumed hankie/tissue handy for when the smell gets unbearable.

* Switch your cell phone on the silent mode and stuff it in some inner pocket of your bag. Take it out only when and if you must.

* Never make eye contact with the passing cars when you’re waiting for your bus. The chances of a car stopping to give you a ride or make an indecent proposal are high.

* Wear comfortable shoes.

While these rules and observations in no way make travelling in public buses harassment and hassle free, it still minimizes it to an extent.

P.S: Since I’m a female, this guide is mostly for my gender. Forgive the discrimination but I can’t presume to know the rules that guys follow. If there are any, please let me know and I’ll compile them in a post with due credit given.

48 Comments so far

  1. .. (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 1:46 am

    i’m sorry but its the 21st fucking century. there’s no need to dress conservatively and be the coy maiden just because you’re travelling in a bus full of men. if they stare at you stare back at them and then loudly ask ‘what the fuck are you staring at’. stop trying to stay in shadows and let men dictate how you behave.


  2. Faisal (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 1:54 am

    Nicely thought out list. I cannot even imagine the hardships women feel while travelling on our public buses. frankly speaking I wouldnt allow my sister to go out alone on a bus. A huge number of men in our society seriously lack etiquette.

    I was wondering, will wearing sun glasses help u. u can avoid the uncomfortable eye contacts.

    Also look into Pepper Spray, that might come in handy someday if some pervert tries something.


  3. hmm (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 1:59 am

    ..

    Looks like u have never been on a bus in karachi.

    Dont try to pull that stunt on a bus because u will end up getting a lot of unwanted attention unless if thats what u want.


  4. Kashif (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 2:54 am

    Very well compiled list. It’s really a shame women have to go through all this misery while commuting.

    A point I would like to add in the list, I have seen girls in buses (well, not starring at them) browsing through their cell phones and guys sitting right behind them picking up the numbers. Ladies should take care not to open phones while in public transport and if they do, better keep it in a way that nobody picks up what’s on the screen. Also, please do not mention names and places while talking on your phone.


  5. ANON THE FAKE ONE (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 5:58 am

    Wow. Such a pathetic society. But that’s the reality I guess.


  6. yo yo (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 6:07 am

    Nice list


  7. Extiinct (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 9:06 am

    ..: To each his/her own I suppose. The way I see it noone should have to go through the perverted scrutiny regardless of what they’re wearing. and not everyone is bold enough to do what you’re suggesting

    Faisal: Sunglasses help, but in a bus squashed against so many women it becomes more a hinderance. As for pepper spray, that’s a good idea for the harrassment you face on the road. But taking care to wait for your bus where there are more people usually takes care of that. I’ll keep your suggetion in mind when I update my post with reader’s suggetions =)

    Kashif: You have a good point there. Cell phones shouldn’t be taken out in the bus at all unless it’s necessary…other than guys copying off their numbers the threat of mobile sntaching is more worrisome. You’re absolutely right about not mentioning names and places.

    Anon the Fake One: Nonetheless, it’s our society and we have a part in making it as it is today.
    We adapt to whatever way our society is.

    Yo Yo: Thankyou.


  8. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 9:36 am

    Nice list but quite useless. How long would you continue to suffer ?? How long would you take that harassment ? If next time some one harasses you then just take a stand. If you can not then keep suffering and shut up and be ready to die like a dog. No one could help if you cant help youself. Complains, complains and complains. I am now getting sick of this attitude, see this blog and 8 out of 10 entries would be complains about some things. Weather is bad , roads are bad , there are no birds. And the most sad part is that you people are educated people of society and some of you would be in leading positions in few years. I am really afraid of that time when people like you would be on high profile positions.


  9. mansoor (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 9:40 am

    Very good post! I just have a small number of things to add though.

    Sadly, the problem of being sexually harrassed is not only limited to females. I remember one of my friends reported that this one guy in a bus started a chat with him, and since the bus got very crowded, actually had the GALL to come up behind and hug him :S now that was one SCARY experience.

    another thing is, i agree with .. atleast partially, flaming eyes have a much more solid impact than being coy and shy. Thats usually taken for something else. And i cant stress on this point more.. never… ever.. look at cars/drivers while standing by the roadside waiting for a bus. Karachi has a ‘very’ large prostitution industry (which runs right under our noses) and this is gesture is their calling card, since they card promote their ‘wares(?)’ any other way… a driver stopping to give you a lift will pretty much have other things in mind than just giving a lift.


  10. Checkmate (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 10:09 am

    I agree with Poo Poo head. Complaining is not going to help. If someone is poking his fingers into your back, or in any way touching you tell him off. I am not saying that we pick a fight with everyone on the bus but the harasser is counting on you staying quite. You and every female has a right to travel in that bus with dignity. Speak up, for god sakes.

    My first experience traveling in buses was when I was in college and like all my college colleagues I would wrap myself in a big chadar. And everyday someone would shove me, pass comments and harrass me. Then I noticed that they did it most with girls who were shy, coy, had an insecure body language, because it meant less objection. I stopped being one of them. The harassment did not stop but I was not first choice anymore. I have too often sat with girls who are squeezing into my ribs because the man standing next to thir seat is presing his knee into them. I have spoken up for these girls and the knees have retreated. But when will these girls learn to speak for themselves.

    The harassment does not stop in the buses, its everywhere. In the work place, women think that they have to listen to x-rated jokes, take every unwelcome remark on their dressing with a helpless smile. WHY !!!! Say NO, complain, do something.

    I am sure many will not agree with me but I strongly believe that it is 80% my attitude which contributes to how other people will treat me. And not the other way round.


  11. xamran (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 10:23 am

    i donno why but sumhow i feel offended by this “list”i donno why but sumhow i feel offended by this “list”


  12. Jamash (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 11:46 am

    It’s a shame and it’s all true. Nice post .


  13. Adnan (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 11:54 am


    And the most sad part is that you people are educated people of society

    yeah,we are called and considered educated people of pakistan.What a joke


  14. Inspirex (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 11:55 am

    sad…..very sad!


  15. khanana (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 2:37 pm

    Ha ha.. man. amazing….. what a post…
    sounds like all true but sad too..


  16. ABC (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 3:07 pm

    Its very sad, but i would like to add one more important thing n v all should do before taking any type of ride ie. always say “Aytal-kursi”, InshAllah u will be blessed


  17. Adnan (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 4:11 pm


    always say “Aytal-kursi”, InshAllah u will be blessed

    Some readers might not like this advice of yours.


  18. Zain (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 4:25 pm

    @ POO POO HEAD… hahhahahahhahahahah My God POO POO Head you are too much….. (there are no birds :))

    Waisey I don’t agree with you many times but I really enjoy reading your comments..

    Thanks for being Jerry Lewis of KMB..


  19. Extiinct (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 4:47 pm

    Checkmate, you’re right. most of this is about attitude and body language. About how you carry yourself. But then that only comes with experience. It takes time to learn. It took you time to realize…it took me time to figure it out too. Noone learns from others mistakes.

    ABC, that’s great advise. I’ve always practiced it. wether people like this advise or not is upto them adnan. Everyone has their own faith/believes. Noone is imposing it at them.

    PPH, you’re guilty of the same crime you accuse us of. But that’s okay. You’re right about helping ourselves though. We should do whatever we can to protect ourselves. Whichever way suits an individual is upto them. Everyone has a different guide to dealing with harrassment.

    Mansoor between anger and shyness is indifference. Indifference is usually the best tool. And you’re right about the prostitution business. In today’s society you need to be aware of all the realities in order to better protect yourself.


  20. Nadir Nasir (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 6:37 pm

    Thanks to Allah that i don’t get a chance anymore to get on the buss. I have arranged for a Taxi in the morning in which the 4 of us (collegues) come… other times i prefer rickshaws (although the toughest and the loudest ride of the world). Just to avoid the death scary scene in the busses.

    This list is very well compiled. But as i read it i felt like its a misery to live life like that. I mean now adays i’m a bit more concious aout my surroundings due to these mobile snatchers… and that is very uncomfortable.. imagin defending yourself 24/7 :S man thats horrible!

    But i completely agree with the auther. women need to protect them selves. No one else will. I do use to stare a some pretty girl when i used to travell in the bus… but not with some evil things in mind. BUT the major part is… if i’m staning near the front compartment… i use to try my level best to NOT to incidently have a contact with a lady near by… in fact, i felt like she should be kept safe… rather than being standing near the men’s compartment.

    Truly speaking.. the above mentioned feeling ONLY generated for the girls having hijab/scarf or properly covered. and/or trying their hard to keep themselves less exposed. I really don’t respect (not that i do something!)the ladies having too much exposing clothes… (i don’t wanna describe, the girls and the guys all know the new indian-type styles that are in)

    I had a friend, she use to share eveything with me, plus i also have sisters in the house. (MashaAllah say) so i can really understand what she could feel if she experiences such acts of people.

    I would suggest that its only the ladies that can protect AND form the society properly.

    Always remeber all girls become are like objects to most men. Only due the ‘exposed ones’ in them. Let there be no ‘accesible objects’ walkin’ around and things will be just fine…


  21. Tee (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 8:18 pm

    nicely done post….
    and anyone who frequents these buses wont give the suggestion like stand up to those men! seriously, Its Pakistan we are talking about…..and men dont take insults that easily. do u want urself to be followed to ur home by insulting such men?


  22. mansoor (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 9:30 pm

    tee: i dont agree with your comment that men here dont take easily to insults… have u ever witnessed a girl/woman going off on a guy/man?? lol! she immediately gets a lot of ‘brothers’ who are only too eager to beat the crap out of the haraser!

    extinct: oh yea.. thats one suggestion i would like to add… shout n use all the ‘brothers’ which come out of the woodwork. LoL!


  23. Faisal (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 9:56 pm

    You know what, Mansoor is right.

    In the bus, if some guy is poking or harrassing u guys, tell him in a stern voice to quit it. It should be loud enough for everyone in the bus to hear it. He most probably will say that he didnt do anything but he will quit doing it. In extreme cases, u might slap the guy also cause he cant hit u back. at this time, u will find plenty of BROTHERS who would be willing to inflict more beating on that pervert.


  24. Asad (unregistered) on June 21st, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

    A great post based on an embarrasing reality. This just goes on to prove that we have not been able to develope as a civilized nation. A city of 15 million animals-thats what we should call our city. I dont know what we can do to change this situation. We are ruled by pigs whose only job is to eat shit ( you know what i mean by shit here).
    How can we change the situation. I keep on asking myself and you too. Is it possible to see a new Pakistan in our life times. Few things we can do are as follows.

    Control the breeding of these animals. The fewer they are the better chances that will see some sanity.
    Provide equal and fair education to all.
    Get rid of the pigs.


  25. Dee (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 12:34 am

    Hi, Add one more point to that list ,,,,,> how to deal with bus conducters(sp?) who think buses are their harams and roam around like wild animals in order to collect fares.
    @Asad…….> Education? Education about what?.Dont we all get lessons from our families on how to treat other ppl(that includes women too).Dont we all get first hand experience from our own homes when comes to social responsibilites?.
    I dont think education would do any good its about mentality.So How to change mentality, by brain washing, asking women to either look away or look into their eyes, pepper spray(i dont think so) etc, etc , etc.
    Dee


  26. Darthvader (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 2:17 am

    i concur with Dee.
    PPH: very brave words mate but it’s easier said than done . also , i thought that this post was more like a how-to-deal-with-this-jihalat than just a rant . i must add , i do understand what you are saying because in general our national pastime is to blame others for our problems and complain , and i hate it .


  27. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 6:46 am

    Darth Vader : Sorry if I sounded non serious but you know that’s me.

    Look , some one has to take action, some one has to initiate, some one has to make sacrifices. Instead of bearing all this sufferings for life long life leaving them for coming generations, don’t you think that we should be proactive rather than reactive.

    I was just reading newspaper couple of hours ago and yesterday in Sind Assembly one member was blessed from bothers of a lady assembly member due to harassment issue. What if she’d been quiet ?? Some one has to come forward.

    Lets see being the guys , what we can do ?

    Trust our wives,sisters,daughters and friends and never tell them that was their mistake if they have responded to such incident. Tell them they are right and you would be always supporting them. Dignity/respect of a woman is not like an handkerchief that if some one has cleaned his dirty hands with her then you could not use it. She would be all same again after a bath but with some memories just like all we have after some bad accident.So please tell them if any thing happens ,you would support them regardless of the consequences.

    If you see some one harassing a gal then ask him to stop, yes I mean it. All bad people are cowards believe me.

    If you see some guy is teasing a gal then be at stop with her unless she gets her bus even if you have to wait for 30 minutes for next bus.

    I would always encourage gals to speak loud and I would have special respect for them as they did not sacrifice their self respects.


  28. Tee (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 12:35 pm

    PPH, i wish there were more men like you here….


  29. zideon (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 1:45 pm

    WOW….i grew up in karachi, 13 full years. only went on a bus ONCE and that was on EID day (haha, long story). so NEVER been on a bus on a regular working day AND I AM SHOCKED TO SEE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. CITY OF ANIMALS, i agree with asad.

    woah, WOMEN– REBELLLL!!!


  30. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 3:32 pm


    PPH, i wish there were more men like you here

    if here means this blog then it doesnt matter for real society.If you mean the city itself then thee are plenty,its just most of us dont came across such people.


  31. Ramla A. (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 4:12 pm

    Harrassment is an issue that has got out of control in the KHI city. It was not like this before.

    Many of Extiinct’s advices are sound. And so are the readers’ advice to address the issue sternly. But does it all work?

    However, on the issue of harrassment, many of the advices are actually theoretical which do not work in real life. Consider this: you make eye contact, you are a prostitute. You don’t make eye contact, you are a sheep. You are coy, you are #1 to be pinched. You are an amazon, and there will always be one who’s taste you’ll fit.

    There are many young women and girls who are “sweet” and cannot turn into over-ride warriors. Besides, many women just don’t have the right kind of support at home. They will not be sent to colleges or offices if their insensitive families learn they are being harrassed, and the harrassers use this knowledge to their advantage.

    On and on it goes. IMO, this is not an issue that can be addressed occasionally or by transforming oneself into the amazon woman. What if you are geninely a sweet-voiced, innocent person- can’t you get to travel?

    In the minds of men AND women of our society, the concept of right and wrong – and the status of women must change. Otherwise, these incidents will keep on taking place.


  32. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on June 22nd, 2006 @ 10:15 pm


    In the minds of men AND women of our society, the concept of right and wrong – and the status of women must change

    umm,do you mean that women should not consider themselves isolated from men? if yes then i am very much agreed with you.


  33. Asad (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2006 @ 1:42 am

    Dee—Education. Well the lessons you get at home are as follows (You might be an exception).

    1. Clean your house and dump the trash out. Dont throw things in the car but its okay to let it out in public.

    2.Its okay to flirt with the maid in house but dont think of marrying her. She is a low cast.

    3.You will study at the most expensive schools. We dont want our kids to study at peela(gove) schools.

    4.We gave birth to you so we own you. We will decide what you will do , and who you would marry (It has to be one of your cousins..dah)

    5.Everything will change if you recite this verse 1000 times. Go to sleep after that. Forget abou the meanings of these verses.

    I dont wanns sound disrespectful to our elders but its time we analyze things. There are 90 good things our elders have taught us but I think they have failed us by not teaching us to offer same goodness which we offer to our families to others as well. I thinks thats the essence of a great nation. Thats what we need to teach our kids.


  34. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2006 @ 9:49 am

    Asad apart from that masi(maid) thingie,i agree rest of your points.Well said.


  35. Dee (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2006 @ 10:58 am

    @ASAD,,,,,> You raised some valid points but there is lot of exaggeration (point 2…>lol.I love to meet those type of parents).I do not see anything wrong with parents wanting to send their kids to peelay or neelay school due to financial constraints. I have met with some fine friends from both sides.Now to the institution of marriage.I guess parents do own us but out of love and concern.I recite some verses every night and do not see any harm in doing so.Now i do not see how all of the above made men go out in public and poke and pinch women.Coz if parents failed to raise one gender straight then how on earth women manage not to pinch, poke and etc.
    Dee.


  36. Afreen (unregistered) on June 23rd, 2006 @ 12:17 pm

    Extiinct, kudos to you for this list. You’ve outlined all the major embarrassments that a girl has to go through while communting through public transport.

    I just hope the society wises up, but who am I kidding?


  37. Faisal (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 4:01 am

    Ladies,

    I am wondering exactly how common is this harrassment in the buses. Do u encounter it everyday or is this once a month thing.

    I just want to know how common is this problem
    and what percentage of men are perverts.
    I hope its a very small minority and hope that the majority of us are decent enough.


  38. Ramla A. (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 4:03 am

    Asad, thank you for saying this. The way we are brought up by the society is what inculcates triple or more standards in us at one time. So at any given time, it’s hard to decide your line of action. And this is what I mean that harrassment is not something that can be dealt with occasionally. It’s a “long term” issue.

    Very good thoughts… opening up the mind in a new direction rather than looking at the micros.

    Adnan: not sure what you mean, but I didn’t mean what you mean. I disagree with most of the popular theories.


  39. Ramla A. (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 4:17 am

    The principle of ethics is this: it is the potentially stronger or the more high-handed one who takes the lead in SELF-IMPOSING the ethics, not the ‘dependent’ person.

    By dependent, I mean dependent in the mathematical sense… as in, my behavior depends on your behavior. In the case of harrassment, it is the woman with the dependent behavior. The harrasser harrasses, and she has to choose a response.

    The thing is, since in such times we do not have available a case history of the offender, we cannot immediately choose a response. There are some men who like coyness. Some enjoy the insults. Some enjoy anger. Whether it’s a driver in W11 or young men in colleges: they have one basic belief: women like this.

    May I point out how, for instance, men interact on this very blog with women? I left this blog because of the vulgarity that some would persist on behind their internet masks. I do not accept or tolerate it, but this was the pitch: take it, and take it. Don’t even leave it. (I am called a coward by some for a decision I am completely glad about.)

    Anyhow. The point is, all ethical systems places the burden of responsibility on the STRONGER or the CAPABLE OF OFFENCE party. Since we are all Muslims here with perhaps jsut a few exceptions… may I remind that Islamic injunction? It is the men who are ordered first to lower their gaze. IRRESPECTIVE of what temptation they are facing.

    Temptation is real, but it’s secondary to self-control. Reading up most of the comments above and elsewhere on this issue, the msg one gets is: men are explosives walking around looking for opps to harrass or assault. Do not tempt, do not look in the eye, look in the eye, be silent, scream, stay, run….

    It’s the kind of advice you’d hear from people about what to do when faced with a cobra.

    I think men deserve more respect than that. Men deserve to understand they are not some kind of born criminals who are under a compulsion of expectation to behave aggressively, rudely, dangerously to prove they are men. Indeed, as most men learn with age, women consider this plain stupidity because this is the behavior they see in thier kids. And now I am thinking back abt what Asad said… men in at least our society are brought up like boys forever. No manliness, no responsibility, no sensitivity.

    It’s almost not men’s fault but of their upbringers that they instill such barbaric values in young men. In my experience, some young men do correct themselves after being given the right kind of attention, advice, and opportunity to express themselves.

    We not only have a women’s issue… we also have an issue where men need help to understand their problems and behavior, and learn a course of corrective action.


  40. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 10:44 am

    Well said, Ramla…I wholeheartedly agree with you.


  41. mansoor (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 10:57 am

    Ramla: you summed up things here just perfectly! well done! Being a man in this city of karachi, i definately agree with you then “we” are not just looking for trouble! indeed, just as in the case of terrorism, it is the few that have put the stink of harrasment on the many.


  42. Extiinct (unregistered) on June 24th, 2006 @ 11:31 am

    Faisal, Harassment does not happen everytime a female steps into the bus. But even once is enough for a woman to feel like she’s stepping into a battle field where coming out intact is her only goal.

    Agreeably, most men are not perverts but just enough of them are. Mansoor has given a good example about a minority creating a stink. But it’s a minority that most women come across in a bus.

    Again I repeat it doesn’t happen everytime. And it also doesn’t happen often. Most of my bus rides are safe because I take certain precautions that have become second nature to me by now.

    And you get to notice/see positive, heart warming things too. Not all of it is bad.

    Ramla, you raise some valid points, and it’s heartening to see that an actual discussion is taking place instead of the usual bashing. But a bigger picture is not what a female is thinking about when she steps into a bus.

    Nonetheless we are all part of the bigger issue here, and we all have a role to play.


  43. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on June 25th, 2006 @ 12:58 am

    The iron-clad guard against all the harrassments faced by our sisters is written here:


    And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to God together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful.

    Surah an-Nur Verse 31

    How many of viel/hijab clad sisters face such incidents?


  44. Ramla A. (unregistered) on June 25th, 2006 @ 2:07 am

    @ Abdul Sami: Just try this: wear a burqa yourself one day and choose ANY bus stop in Karachi and wait. Come back and report to us.


  45. Darthvader (unregistered) on June 25th, 2006 @ 8:50 am

    Sami – use the shuttle-cock style one.
    may the force be with you(amen)

    and a lovely good evening to all the KMB comm.
    love
    Vader, the Dark SIth


  46. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on June 25th, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

    Whats so offending when it comes to ‘pardah’?

    you don’t wanna follow the guide lines set by your Creator, it’s okay, but then don’t come back with complains.


  47. Adnan Mansoor (unregistered) on June 26th, 2006 @ 10:53 am

    There is nothing to be said more on the issue, when Sami has gone over the basic “guidelines” to be employed by the fair gender. Though, it is not a guarantee that those covered are cent percent safe in outdoors, yet the evil instinct that drive men towards the woman, would diminish a great deal.

    The question is nor burqa or no burqa, its about the potential safegurads that can be employed by the women folk, while travelling on public buses. I think, the guideline posted by Sami are very practical. Just do this and feel the difference yourself!


  48. Nabeel (unregistered) on June 27th, 2006 @ 7:05 pm

    God,its so satisfying to actually see a proper discussion.

    Not people bashing each other and trying to prove themselves right but actually looking at themselves.

    and this is what we need to do.

    as in the males.

    look at ourselves.

    every male going through this discussion should be ashamed.

    and angry at the few idiots who have created stereotypes.

    is that all men are capable of?

    to stare and touch and tease and poke?

    …….

    we must fix ourselves.

    someone up there mentioned ‘brothers’ who will beat up perverts publicly.we need many of those.

    and we need many women who will stand up for their rights.

    and we need to fix our society.

    i agree with what asad said above and what was repeated-that it is our society that is to blame. it is the way we are brought up,it is the mentality of the common man here in Pakistan that is to blame.

    agree with just about everything ramla said.

    its a psychological malaise…harassment is only one symptom.

    u know,as they say…don’t hate the player,hate the game.

    temptation is a pathetic excuse for harassment.

    and it should not be allowed to remain an excuse.

    so yes,everyone is to blame here.

    women,demand respect.

    men,give respect.

    by the way…i’ve never seen harassment myself in a year of rickshaws and roaming in karachi and public buses.

    it isn’t as bad as many make it sound.

    a lot of things aren’t as bad as some make them out to be.

    and a lot of things can be improved by just some common sense.

    i mean how dumb can you be,talking loudly on a phone and flipping through your phone book on a public bus WHEN YOU KNOW someone might be checking it out and WHEN YOU KNOW there are lots of pickpockets waiting for you to take out that expensive cellphone?

    education might be an answer but it has to be the right education-not biased brainwashing,more a product of narrow thinking than anything else.

    sorry everyone,this degenerated into a rant….i hope i made sense.

    umeed pe hi zinda hain sab :)



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