Pakistan Vs. Denmark (Again!!!)

Another area of the ban is discovered by Asad ur Rehman, this time its against danish websites. Not only have the PTA banned only specific websites from being accessed from Pakistan, they have banned ALL domains which are hosted on the danish IP address block. Read his article for the complete info. Dr. Awab.. this seems like up your alley… any comments?

24 Comments so far

  1. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 1st, 2006 @ 9:41 pm

    I’m simply shocked and stunned, to be honest this issue has now become a battle between Denmark and Pakistan.

    The original problem of the cartoon controversy has been pushed to the side, Thank you for bringing it to our attention and I have already initiated steps to investigate this issue within the group (Society Against Internet Censorship in Pakistan) and hope to do something about this yet another idiotic move by the Government of Pakistan

    The thing that worries me is WHEN will they stop. one day it was all Indian websites then it came to blocking the entire blogspot domain and now all danish websites. Its got to stop once ‘n for all.


  2. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on August 1st, 2006 @ 10:15 pm

    “I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” . This word “shock” always remind me of this dialogue :-)


  3. verysmart (unregistered) on August 1st, 2006 @ 10:16 pm

    Teeth Maestro and Mansoor,
    I think its not the government which is responsible, coz if they dont, an another sight of any cartoon comes to attention of Islamists, they start staging those stupid rallies all over again, who will lose? YOu and me surely, cause they will end up burning cars and buildings… Do you think its a price you are willing to pay for accessing some Danish Websites which probably 0.000002% of our population ever visit.

    Why do we condemn the government, why dont we grow spines and condemn islamists, ourselves and the extreamist factions who force the government to such limits??


  4. verysmart (unregistered) on August 1st, 2006 @ 10:20 pm

    I read a comment from someone in Jammat AHL-e-Sunnat, suggesting .. “the government shall BAN INTERNET or otherwise we will have another rally!!!!!”

    So what do you suggest…. ???

    Do you think the government eek out any pleasure from stopping us to visit any website danish, kurdish, israeli or whatever?


  5. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 1st, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

    Verysmart – its strange how you choose to defend the actions of the Govt of Pakistan. I fully agree with you that the cartoons were bad for the Muslim world and should never have been done, but how ironic that you choose to defend for the Islamic groups that want to go on yet another rioting rampage sadly again destroying Pakistani shops and property for an issue which has nothing to do with Pakistan. The problem is hundreds of miles away and we choose to burn Pakistan.

    I too had lodged a decent protest on my blog against the publication of the cartoons in a very peaceful and orderly manner, not in the form of an enraged Juloos whose sole purpose is to set afire KFC, TELENOR & Pizza Hut outlets. Tell me what do these Islamic groups achieve by burning such franchises, they are owned by Pakistanis and provide employment for Pakistanis like us. They have never seen Denmark let alone work for them.

    So technically I doubt the PTA is worried about what the Islamic groups are saying, to be honest Musharraf has a lot more things to worry about than this Denmark strike. Just my opinion


  6. verysmart (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 12:24 am

    Hey hey Teeth Maestro, I never supported Islamic Group, and I dispise them from the uttter core of my heart.

    Read my comments again, I am saying that because of these Jahil Mullah groups, these burnings and negative rallies are on the rise and THEY somehow in the end of every rally draw the conclusion that Pakistan Government is responsible for publishing these cartoons (now how the hell is that possible?)

    SO my friend our government has to shut down the possible sources of these sites to try and curb those roits from happening.

    I have devised the Alternative Telecom structure of Karachi along the Karachi City Railway links, I have been working with people in Pakistan Internet Exchange for some while and with National Telecommunications Corporation, take my word, no matter what the government does .. access to these cartoons can never be completley curbed.

    Its we the people who have to decided not to visit these sites if our religious feelings are hurt soo badly lookign at them.

    I suggest you to condemn the Islamist Parties in your Internet Society, rather than the government, who has to impose these bans to make sure that you and me and our belongings are safe and secure.


  7. adil (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 12:26 am

    TO verysmart: Come on now “verysmart” which branch of government do you work for?.


  8. verysmart (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 12:34 am

    @Adil: i dunno about you man, but here in UK, I am part of an International Business Forum, and we have weekly meetings with Local Businessmen, University Analysts and researchers, and they all convinced on one thing, Pakistan has rebounded to a economic recovery. That is not any government induced statement.

    Take pride while you can, you never know when we ourselves overthrow the very person who has made this happen.

    The merry-go-round of Benazir-Nawaz-Mullahs is about to begin, and we will end up dispising ourselves when this will happen.


  9. mansoor (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 12:37 am

    SO my friend our government has to shut down the possible sources of these sites to try and curb those roits from happening


  10. mansoor (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 12:39 am

    SO my friend our government has to shut down the possible sources of these sites to try and curb those roits from happening


  11. verysmart (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:03 am

    Mansoor, Wht I can make out of your pastings from my comments is probably i missed something; so here it is

    READ:

    SO my friend our government has to shut down the possible sources of “accessing” these sites to try and curb those roits from happening


  12. Dee (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:06 am

    @verysmart, Hmmm internet is not the only medium available to ppl of pakistan.Dont forget TV, satellite and radio :).If Pakistan really wants to show solidarity with rest of the muslim world(population) then why not hit Danish where it hurts them most i.e, economically.I felt outrage on those cartoons so i stopped buying danish products(as requested by Canadian and U.S islamic assoications) instead of burning buildings etc. Dee


  13. verysmart (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:11 am

    @DEE, Absolutely correct, this is the way to do it and this is the way to record displeasure. Rather than burning some innocent people’s cars and scooters and even businesses.

    Thats what I am trying to convey exactly. Rather than hitting out at the goverment everytime, we have to realize the actual source of the problem and address it. In this case I believe is us the JAHIL AWAM and the MULLAHS who are enticing these people for their political gains.


  14. mansoor (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:17 am

    verysmart.. actually, what i wanted to point out was that if we do keep the ban going, wouldnt that mean the mullahs, fanatics, extremists (or whatever u wanna call them) would win?


  15. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:23 am

    Verysmart – I am glad you cleared that issue up, for a moment I was beginning to wonder which agency/Islamic party you were representing. I agree with you it should be the INDIVIDUAL’S right to see or not see anything objectionable on the Internet, the information is so widespread that its impossible to continue playing the cat and mouse game of blocking websites there are too many ways to get the information. And this cat and mouse game also lead to the accidental blockage of Wikipedia a few months back.

    I do object to your stance that the government needs to block these sites to keep these Islamists at bay. Its then a very screwed up method of solving the problem.

    To be honest the PTA has been given such a free control on what to block, this is the power that needs to be curtailed, one fine day they surf onto a website deem it objectionable and decide to block it – sounds more like parental control for the every Internet surfing individual of Pakistan.

    Additionally if you look at the parental control imposed by PTA on Blogspot it seems they are using stone age technology which is simply incapable of blocking individual URL’s and hence are restricted to IP blocking only. eg Blogspot.com (66.102.15.100)


  16. verysmart (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 1:36 am

    Mansoor and Teeth Maestro,
    Thanx for understanding, but the issue is, wht other option do you suggest the government shall devise? if they dont do what they are trying to do, then the mullahs will issue statement that the government is siding with WESTERN SATANS, and this will invoke more bullying, strikes, riots, loss of lives and property.

    I have seen the Cisco and Juniper firewalls for outgoing traffic in PTCL Gateway Exchange, they are more of a jwellery, rather than operational units. This also suggests that the government and the authorities are not too gung-hoo on imposing such bans (otherwise there are some servers soo mean that they can impose a REAL ban, like those in Saudia, IRAN and China) I am pretty sure that these innocent measure of our authorities can be beaten by a simple Annonymizer. Try any and please do let me know…
    heheheee..


  17. Mariam (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 7:19 am

    In my view everyone should have free access to Internet and other media. There is a organization called Blue Ribbon which supports readers rights.

    As for the people who burn things – It is us who gave them this power by not punishing them for their act. I guess its time to put some law breakers where they belong or if they happen to be political party leader then they should be heavily fined. If this trend continues then no one want to invest in Pakistan and in a way they are taking food away from our future generation. I think this is the best time to teach miscreants some lesson.


  18. gisgraduate (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 9:12 am

    I wish they could do the same for pornographic sites, may be someone can suggest to create an interface to complain any porno site requested to be blocked. I believe that is severly affecting our nation more than the above issue. Hope someone could take a stand.


  19. mansoor (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 10:41 am

    verysmart: an annonymizer can beat the ban. Thats why we use PKblogs so heavily! Long live pkblogs.com!!


  20. Anathema (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 10:45 am

    erm. i have been able to access blogspot this morning. still can. im in office. dont know what connection we use.

    but yes. i can accesss blogspot.


  21. mansoor (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 10:47 am

    anathema: lucky u! cybernet is not allowing it here…. so baq to pkblogs for me :)


  22. Asad R. (unregistered) on August 2nd, 2006 @ 2:40 pm

    Teeth Maestro, to be fair, the term “stone age” technology with reference to PTA’s blocking policy is rather harsh.

    Blogspot uses name-based virtual domain hosting, which means that essentially all blogs have the same IP and the server at the receiving end reads the information in the request to see which site to load.

    There are technical issues with trying to implement a stateful packet filter (which is what would be required for this type of “intelligent” blocking) on a national level, so they’ve done it the only way they could. Of course the collateral damage of this action should have been enough reason to unblock the IP.

    A more civilized solution could have been for the government to ask all ISPs to block the site on their proxies. Since most ISPs use transparent proxies already, it would have been far simpler, and much more efficient, and would not have required ALL blogspot sites to be blocked. For the ISPs that don’t use transparent proxies, it would be simple to route all blogspot.com IP requests through a special proxy which would then further discriminate connections depending on the URL; something that doesn’t require all THAT much technical expertise for people running an ISP.

    All in all, the whole thing is a classic example of incompetence at every level of governance, and though I realise it’s easier to criticize than to act, I’m quite certain the problem could have been resolved in a more humane manner.


  23. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 3rd, 2006 @ 2:22 am

    Asad – I thank you for shedding light on offering a good solution to PTA – since I have no technical knowledge about the blocking mechanism, I would have never thought of this. Hell I still call PTA Stone age :)


  24. sajjad (unregistered) on August 12th, 2006 @ 3:19 pm

    syed.mustufa kamal is doing well work in karachi and we (karachi public)want distic goverment of MQM.



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