A Spoil

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Latest pirated movies, English, four in a single DVD priced Rs.60 and Indian, three on a single DVD priced Rupees 50, freely available on several CD Shops throughout Karachi but that is the least of my concern at the moment. If you examine this picture closely you will find playboy and kamasutra collection openly on display and the worst part is that moments before this picture was taken a hardly twelve year old kid purchased around five of these different X-Rated movies.

Why are these DVDs on sale to children? Why don’t parents keep an eye on their kids? How do these kids get so much unaccounted money which they spent only to spoil them selves ?

It would be really stupid to blame the government for this, If they won’t get the DVD on the shops they will open up a website, the real culprit here are simply the ignorant parents.

37 Comments so far

  1. Ahsan Ahmed (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 12:26 am

    Well ill be damned!

    Ive seen this stuff sold ‘inside’ shops … as in .. you have to personaly ask them magr on display … ill be damned!

    Btw … shop kidhar hai :P


  2. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 1:31 am

    Shame to say thats the ‘enlighten moderation’ of an Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    Govt. is keeping an eye on all Madrassas and Mullahs and is not concerned at all about these things. Well, its not just the govt. local community should be strong enough to stop those shameful act.


  3. Dee (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 1:52 am

    It seems like everyone is responsible in this particular case i.e, Govt bodies(Mayor , city nazim), parents of the kid, shop keeper and ordinary people of karachi.
    Dee


  4. MangoAddict (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 2:48 am

    I cannot believe that this kind of stuff is openly being sold in the stores where teenagers and kids frequent. Pakistan has no limits apparently.


  5. Bassem (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 2:51 am

    Shame on these dvd shop keepers !


  6. yo yo (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 3:01 am

    Another simple case of LAX situation of LAW and Order in Karachi…not at all complex.


  7. Ali Zohaib (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 11:23 am

    And if you go to these shops and peek around at the dvds displayed for some time , the shop keeper would come to you and tells that he knows what sort movies you want.
    he will point out towards a hidden box of cardboard full of porn movies .He will keep on telling you about the quality and description of the movies.If you persist on not buying them he will start another move , he will say he also has porn in urdu , animal sex , male to male ..and he will tell you about the malaysian porn , the indian porn etc etc..
    look out for the cardboard dabba if you go any shop in rainbow..its usually hidden in the corner below stacks of dvds.
    i bought 60dvds from him and he gave me one porn cd free to see saying i will definitely like it and come for more..


  8. Zain Imran (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 12:16 pm

    Frankly, I don’t really care. I suppose with time the regulation will increase but for the moment piracy is the bigger issue.


  9. Saya (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 2:14 pm

    Most certainly a disgrace to those who sell such products as well as the degradation of Islamic society in Pakistan!
    I don’t know where the picture was taken from, but I can surely say the biggest hub for all such deals is non-other than rainbow centre.
    Last year I remember going out to rainbow to get the latest movies for my collection, being new at the place I asked for “movies” in the games section of the mall. Turns out, they said yes they have some, but I would have to step into the store…I was like…hmm ok…so I set in and went straight at the counter…the man slowly takes out a pack full of all these kinds of DVDs and covers them with a cloth while hissing “come closer and make your choice”
    A simple shock to find such kind of atrocities openly distributed to the public.


  10. mansoor (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

    what would you expect after so much sex we’re exposed to everyday? Be it movies, tv, songs whatever?

    On top of that… discussing sexual activites by the parents is also a big ‘no no’ here, and kids get their education outside…. which ofcourse, portrays it in a very desirable way.

    Personally though, i believe it is the choice of an individual whether they would or would not like to indulge in these kind of movies…. if you dont wish too.. its quite easy (try it sometime). Live and let live….


  11. kidal (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

    Mansoor, your ideas are very secular, and I don’t agree with them. As Muslims we believe in a balance between individualism and social responsibility.

    But let’s just go with your argument. Even societies that follow the “live and let live” philosophy do not give free reign to minors (i.e. children). That is because they rightly believe that children are not equipped with the wisdom and experience to know what’s good or bad for them.

    As adults of this society, it is our responsibility to protect our children from unscrupulous opportunists like these smut merchants.


  12. kidal (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 5:05 pm

    BTW, I do agree that parents must play an active role here. They must discuss sex with their children in the proper way. Making it a taboo subject does not help.


  13. verysmart (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 6:38 pm

    Kidal, As a nationlist I would love to agree to you, however, the acts of homosexuality in Madrasaas are very much an open secret now. We all heard about this in our teens ..its just got mentioned on media for the first time.

    I agree to mansoor and I believe that some sort of positive sexual education is very necessary.


  14. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 7:15 pm

    No offense Mansoor but would you like to start it from your own home?.Will you be able to answer your kid when he/she asks things which you might not like to answer him/her due to hesitation?.I have a chrstian friend who often says that he feels so helpless when his kid asks him about different sexual stuff.When i told him that there is no such thing in Pakistan,he called me a *lucky*.So unless you don’t know the outcome,you shoudn’t preach of it.


    On top of that… discussing sexual activites by the parents is also a big ‘no no’ here, and kids get their education outside

    You mean that parents should start teaching their young kids about different positions at the age of 12 or 14?

    Our previous generation has lead life in absence of any Internet and women and men of that time have spent a wonderful life without getting sexual education out of home.Parents of our generation is good example of that,ain’t they?

    And you are wrong.A desi girl or you want to say a muslim girl is when married,She’s taught by her mother or aunts before time about new life and relation.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 7:16 pm

    No offense Mansoor but would you like to start it from your own home?.Will you be able to answer your kid when he/she asks things which you might not like to answer him/her due to hesitation?.I have a chrstian friend who often says that he feels so helpless when his kid asks him about different sexual stuff.When i told him that there is no such thing in Pakistan,he called me a *lucky*.So unless you don’t know the outcome,you shoudn’t preach of it.


    On top of that… discussing sexual activites by the parents is also a big ‘no no’ here, and kids get their education outside

    You mean that parents should start teaching their young kids about different positions at the age of 12 or 14?

    Our previous generation has lead life in absence of any Internet and women and men of that time have spent a wonderful life without getting sexual education out of home.Parents of our generation is good example of that,ain’t they?

    And you are wrong.A desi girl or you want to say a muslim girl is when married,She’s taught by her mother or aunts before time about new life and relation.


  16. kidal (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 7:40 pm

    Although I disagree with Mansoor’s secular views, I do believe that parents have a very important role to play in sex education. They must take the initiative to talk to their children about sex before they get the wrong info and in the wrong manner from other sources. Of course it doesn’t mean that they have to show them graphic pics or videos, or explain different positions. But they must talk about it so that children are prepared when they are inevitably faced with certain situations. Of course it should be the father who talks with his sons and the mother with her daughters.

    I do not agree with sex education in schools. This is the job of the parents. In Pakistan we have a culture where parents are generally aloof and formal with their children. While there should be respect, I believe the relationship should be “friendly” enough so that sex is not a taboo subject. Sexual permisiveness, vulgar talk and sexual inuendo on the other hand should remain taboo at home and in society in general.


  17. kidal (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 7:43 pm

    Are we being modded now? Why are my comments being “held for approval”?


  18. Umera (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 9:36 pm

    I think Adnan you have pointed to the biggest difference between the our parent’s generation and our generation. They grew up not only without the influx of Internet but also without the exposure to sexual issues in media, hence, for them ignorance was bliss and they did not have to be educated before marriage.

    Whether you like it or not in present time we have a situation where children and young adults are exposed to all kinds of sexual explicits. There are two things we can do about this we can either pretend that they do not know about it or acknowledge the problem and finds way of addressing it. If we do not educate our children about sex they will find other modes of educating themselves and unfortunately when that happens we would not be able to control the amount and mode of information they receive.

    It is naive to think our children will not learn about sex just because we do not tell them and it is stupid to let them find their own means of sexual education and get exploited in the process.

    Secondly, what does sexual education have to do with Islam? Don’t Muslims have sex? Isn’t it important to protect children from sexual exploitation in Islamic society? Should not an Islamic society deal with the issues of pornography when it is easily available to minors?

    However, the original issue of pornographic material being sold to children in open market is something we have to deal with as a society. However, in order to do that we have to stop being ostriches and accept that our children are curious about sex and they will seek information about it. We also need to find regulate the dispensing of pornographic material as was said in one of the earlier post that forbidding it would not make it disappear – the best example is Indian channels and Indian movies have they disappeared just because they have been banned?

    By not acknowledging a problem we make it worse because then it goes deregulated. How many problems are we going to just brush under the carpet – we did this we education about Aids because it is un-Islamic to educate people about Islam but now we have situation hundreds of people everyday are infected by HIV but obviously killing people because we do not educate them correctly is not un-Islamic.


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 11:56 pm

    @Umera:100% agreed with the first para.

    If we do not educate our children about sex they will find other modes of educating themselves

    thats what I asked from Mansoor.How would you educate in a Pakistani society.How would you preachers would start it from your home.Take example of your own home,your kids(if you are married),parents etc.How would you convince?

    I know one thing.Preaching starts from home first.Some people here preach about alcohol.I say fine,start from home,give a taste of wine to family members first then ask neighbors etc etc.Same goes with sex education.ASking others to do and we don’t follow ourselves is hypocricy.Qazi Hussain also talks about sending guys to kashmir for Jihad but none of his sons ever went to the site.Then we curse to mullahs while we are clone of them.

    It is naive to think our children will not learn about sex

    Noone said that they wouldnt learn.No guy here can actually claim that they are not aware of x-rated movies while they would have watched in school and college lives.I’m just opposing of giving sex education in school levels while girl in our society is educated by her mother before marriage and guys are already aware of *everything*.

    Secondly, what does sexual education have to do with Islam?

    My friend Islam deals with everything.Islam is not a sunday religion like Christianity which was sent on Children of Israel only.Read Quran and Read hadiths book.Islam clearly orders of early age marriage of boys and girls so that they can be kept safe from illegal sex.Similarly Islam permitted men to marry 4 women(by applying certain conditions only) to remove prostitution. Offcourse there are Islamic rules,offcourse there are Islamic books which deals with this topic.Just give a try to Islam,you will find everything.

    Should not an Islamic society deal with the issues of pornography when it is easily available to minors?

    by exposing sex to their kids’ brains?Look you need to realise why such evils exist in a society.Offcrouse you would face such problems when you will not follow nature’s law.At one side people preach to supply alchool and on other side we have to face this problem.Just imagine tht a kid gets a bottle of whiskey and he gets tun and misbehave with his female friend and even rape her.Now would you curse Islam or that kid?Or people who preach about it?Why I never tried alchol in my life or ciggy?Was it difficult for me to get it?

    Islam clearly instructed for good and bad things about human nature.Lower your gaze,God commanded it to men and women for some reason.He didnt have any intrest to send a book of 114 chapters upon us.

    we education about Aids because it is un-Islamic

    Again! you are talking about creating awareness while not talking about root casue of the issue.You and me both knows reason of AIDS.Islam addressed the issue,not only Islam,ancient books like Torah and bible also condemn it so why dont you and me follow it?


  20. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 13th, 2006 @ 11:58 pm

    Kidal its an auto.If comments gets lengthy then system put it in moderation.Its my assumption because my previous statment is in moderation mode.


  21. Umera (unregistered) on August 14th, 2006 @ 5:27 am

    Adnan,

    I should have been clearer in my comment about what educating about sex has to do with Islam. I am not denying Islam is a complete code of life. However, there is nothing in Islam, which prohibits educating your children about sex and protecting them from exploitation.

    Alcohol, Sex, Aid and other sexually transmitted diseases are ground reality of the world we live in, if we are going to ignore them and not educate our people about them they will not go away.

    The great thing about making people aware about these things is that you can not only educate them about the right and wrong as it stands but you can also educate them about the Islam in better manner as you can make them see the logic of why something is condemn and/or is prohibited in Islam. By dealing with the issue you actually make Islam stronger and also educate people about the issue. It doesn’t require people to have blind faith in a religion just because they were born in that religion, it gives them a chance to follow a religion they understand.

    I find your assumption that I lack knowledge of Koran and Hadith amusing – it is interesting that just because somebody doesn’t agree with us we assume that they must not know.


  22. Ali Zohaib (unregistered) on August 14th, 2006 @ 6:28 am

    About sex education , i believe the porn dvds teach you lots of things. They improve your bed moves and make you a great deal more confident when you are with your wife all confused and since this thing is unaddressed ..A simple guy like me who has read nothing except taleem o tarbiat and watched nothing except ptv would rely on these porn dvds for HELP.
    Besides i have an experience in university.One of our friend in hody complained to the Academic Dean that a bunch of us watch Porn movies in his hostel room , thats why he was unable to get good gpa last semester.
    The matter was taken to the disciplinary committee and the head of the disciplinary committee , a woman , decided that porn movies are no big deal to watch and everyone watches porn atleast once in her life as she also watched it in london.


  23. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 14th, 2006 @ 12:19 pm

    Dear Umera I had no intention to think that you are not aware of Quranic and hadith knowledge.If you took it like tat than do accept my apology,that was not an Intention.You were actually asking that doesn’t Islam deal with this issue and I was actually responding that question plus how islam instructed to deal such ‘diseases’ in any society.There are even online Islamic websites to deal such cases.Do make a visit of http://askImam.com where sometimes people comeup very weird questions about sex and marriage but actually they are pretty cautious that their step doesnt go out of Islamic rules’ boundaries.Offcourse I as muslim know that Quran covers everything but i can’t claim that I have read everything.If you would have asked few years back then I coudnt even answer that whether Quran does cover such things or not.

    Back to the topic.iwould summarize that, no I dont favor any sex education on school level,its not a successful experiment by west and people actually regretting this experience.My christian friend is good example for me to oppose such system.

    Yes parents should teach their children to stay away from such things.I second Jamash mian that its only parents’ responsibility to keep an eye tht what their kid is bringing from outside and doing in a closed room then the parents can take action against shopkeepers or complain local law enforcement authorities.

    i believe the porn dvds teach you lots of things

    @Ali:yes but after certain age,not in school age otherwise children who are always curious might try to go for a practical.

    A little off the topic,how many of you actually know that there were incest relation cases in karachi and they were not one or two but more?See where we are heading to.


  24. Confused Desi (unregistered) on August 14th, 2006 @ 4:37 pm

    Islam deals with the subject right from the lessons for “Gussal/Wadhoo/Taharat” which are pre-requisites for the prayers.

    @Adnan:

    I think Incest was discussed even publicly on Jew-TV (Geo-TV).


  25. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 1:09 am

    @Confused:I pretty much liked the new name of geo-tv.

    I dont watch tv much specially GEO.In which program did they discuss it?that Amir Online or 50 minute?


  26. Salman Ahmed (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 2:21 am

    well the prog on Geo Tv Confused Desi is reffering to is “Uljhan Suljhan” hosted by Hina Khwaja i guess it was aired in 2005…


  27. alybaba (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 4:23 am

    Why is GEO being called Jew-TV?


  28. mansoor (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:37 am

    sorry for not replying earlier, didnt know my comment had sparked such discussion.

    adnan: im very glad you pointed out ‘starting at home’. I wrote that because i did recieve this education at home first. My parents gave me an introduction on the pros n cons while i was in my early teens (after being caught with a porno tape :p). Since then however, i’ve always had those word repeat in my head (especially the pregnancy part) whenever the urge arises.. and today, after almost 10 years, i still abide by the rule of gettin ‘it’ after marriage.

    so yes… sex education *should* start at home!

    secondly, when did we move backwards a century?? did i miss something? im referring to the comments on “lets not discuss it because its unislamic”?! do you have ANY idea on how stupid you sound? Umera made a very good point that its part of our ground realities! you may not like it… but (unfortunately) even i know a few girls who had to go through an abortion (which is a thriving underground industry btw) because of unprotected sex and one night of passion!

    Geo discusses Hudood ordinance and we brand them as Jew TV! wow! Enlightened Moderation my BEHIND!! Wake up people! Its sad to see how much further we still have to go!


  29. mansoor (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:40 am

    On the moderation issue.. its due to a plugin which stops a comment from appearing if it contains certain words. In that case, they require the author to approve it.


  30. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 11:05 am

    Mansoor since when did i deny that such evils does NOT exist or when did i say it should NOT discussed?You are too ignorant towards my statment.Read again with open eyes! I oppose your theory of sex education in schools.I never said children should be given lessons by their parents about good and evil.How the heck sex education would REDUCE this problem?AS i said you havenot experienced it yourself.I also didnt but yes i do discuss this isue with my non-muslim friends who have been experincing it on daily basis and they guys[they are not spilt christians and jews anyway] dont accept it but they have to adapt it since it was imposed by state schools.

    Umera was already replied of whatever she asked that Islam did tell about 1)how to deal with the issue 2)How to keep one safe from it.

    Your copycat western theory of sex education didnt result something good.Plus I am still asking you to provide me details which actually comees under *sex education* but neither you nor that lady came up to provide details about it.So while preaching about sex education to others,do provide details to put some weight in your statments.

    you may not like it… but (unfortunately) even i know a few girls who had to go through an abortion (which is a thriving

    Were they from CMB college? =).Keep in mind most of such *elements* you are pointing out actually belong to a class which is considered well educated and enlightened.The incest case which came to my knowledge(and a genuine) one was actually happened in clifton area.

    Geo discusses Hudood ordinance and we brand them as Jew TV! wow! Enlightened Moderation my BEHIND!! W

    No comments on your rant since we already experienced your blind inclination towards absurd and inhumane statment aof huma about professionalism and feelings in one of her post.


  31. Adnan (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 2:44 pm

    Since my previous post was moderated therefore I will make again,this time a bit shorter to reply you.

    1)What should be taught in sex education syllabus?

    2)I oppose sex education at school level as its not a successful experiment and you might have no idea about it


    i know a few girls who had to go through an abortion (which is a thriving underground industry btw)

    3)Was any of them from CBM?


    Geo discusses Hudood ordinance and we brand them as Jew TV! wow! Enlightened Moderation my BEHIND

    4) No Comments on this rant as I am already aware of your inclination towards huma’s absurd and inhumane rant about saleswoman.


    after being caught with a porno tape :p

    It means you were dumb :>. I was never caught =) but thats another story of my perversion which I certainly not intrested to tell on this forum :>


  32. mansoor (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 3:33 pm

    1) what should be taught i leave to the higher authorities to discuss..

    2) that is the best time to actually deliver such education. The reason people fall into many sexual activities at or around that time is the exposure to sex on the media, which makes it seem desirable or ‘the in thing’ to do. Making them aware of the consequences of teen pregnancies, of abortions, of their responsibilities and above all, for each gender, to give respect to the other and not view em as sexual objects only, would serve to create enlightened children. They may fall into activities even then, but atleast with the knowledge of what the consequences are.

    3) no, not from CBM….

    4) absurd and inhumane rant? come off your high horse jee :p the whole point of that post was to be ‘professional’… a view which is not taken seriously in many of our businesses.

    5) dumb? lol!! well, since u were never caught.. i can only imagine (not) what level of perversion you might be into now :p but ur right.. this is not the correct forum for that :D


  33. Confused Desi (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 4:11 pm

    Discussing Incest in Public & illicit intimate activities in cyber cafes is a jewish act indeed


  34. Henna (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 7:37 pm

    stores are not the only place where it’s available!!!
    a month or so ago i was in karachi watching some late night telly, and there was a pornographic movie on!!! readily and for free… wow :S
    indian movies are banned but this isnt?!!! hmmm
    but then again, there’s been a lot less banning after our dear mush has come into power!


  35. mansoor (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 8:05 pm

    showing porn movies on TV is on part of cable networks…. not on TV channels… they dont need to be banned :p they usually result in their distribution network being partially destroyed by angry protestors :p


  36. Adnan (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 10:28 am

    2)Mansoor its useless to carry on argument about sex education since you have no idea about it neither you were able to propose anything which should be taught to a 9 years old boy and girl.And the whole point of professionalism was massively damned by everyone due to its cruelty.Something which doesnt happen in real world.


  37. mansoor (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:57 am

    adnan: mm.. when did i suggest sex education at 9 years? At nine, most boys and girls are still going through the “EWW!! I have to talk with a boy/girl” phase :p if sex education should be given, it should start atleast by 12 years of age.. After that, enough sense is drilled into them and they’re much more aware of sexual activities.

    As for what should be thought… “Making them aware of the consequences of teen pregnancies, of abortions, of their responsibilities and above all, for each gender, to give respect to the other and not view em as sexual objects only, would serve to create enlightened children” did u read this line?



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