Mission accomplished

After weeks of searching, a few friends and I discovered a piping hot meal, complete with fresh roti. It was served at a Hindu-owned dhabba in a temple complex and the bonus was that Diwali celebrations were already underway. After a decent veg meal, we took a look at the stalls outside where earthenware stuff was on sale. Perhaps a testament to the plight of Hindus in this city, I couldn’t help but notice the poverty in the neighbourhood. But the people seemed happy enough celebrating Diwali. Happy Diwali to the readers of KMB.

65 Comments so far

  1. xia (unregistered) on October 29th, 2006 @ 10:28 am

    Haroon:

    Give me one authentic daleel where Rasool Allah Sallalh Alehe Wasallam, after getting the naboowah, celebrated a yahood or nasrani festival?

    Let’s talk about christmas for example. Even conservative christians, Jahovah Witness and others do not celbrate christmas because those are made up things. Let’s talk about muslims wishing someone christmas. What is a muslim wishing a non muslim in this case? Birth of Jesus (May Allah be pleased with him) who chirstians claim to be son of god? Do you want to celebrate any such thing or be a part of any such thing as a muslim? I hope not.

    Like I said before. We are trying to fit in with everyone to please everything in this world except Allah. Not sure about what type of religious studies you are teaching, but I sure hope that you are teaching something that is correct.


  2. Haroon (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 6:10 pm

    Give me one authentic daleel where Rasool Allah Sallalh Alehe Wasallam, after getting the naboowah, celebrated a yahood or nasrani festival?

    That’s my point nothing is authentic except Quran. I did not said celeberate but one can greet their neighbors and friends on their relgiuos holidays. It will just shows tolerance and nothing else. BTw, I don’t think Muslim belief is not THAT weak which can be harm by saying HAPPY —- (Insert Non MUlsim religious day) to fellow human being.

    P.S. Looks like you had a very bad experience with Non Muslims. Don’t be a prude there are all kinds of people in this world.


  3. xia (unregistered) on October 31st, 2006 @ 5:14 pm

    Haroon:You mentioned that Rasool Allah sallalah Alehe Wasallam practiced greeting non muslims. (Well you mentioned Prophet, I am assuming you follow Prophet Mohammad’s Sunnah) You must have read it somewhere that is why you claim such nonsense. Or you may have made it up thinking that it is “ok” to make up stuff.

    I have very good experience with non muslims. I grew up around non muslims and now I am around them almost half of my day. I respect their religions and they respect mine. Nothing in their religion or our religion says that we should greet them or they should greet us on our religious occasions. Too bad that they (non muslims)understand it so well and you guys continue to argue for no good reason.

    And why are hadiths not authentic? How can you say if a hadith is authentic or not? Do you know how the chain of narration works? What makes you say that? This is not only moronic, but idiotic in my opinion. You claim to get your knowledge from Quran, but at the same time you do not want to accept the authenticity of hadiths and sunnah which are agreed upon by almost all the tabieens and ulemas? Haven’t you read the verse several times where Allah Subhana Watala says “Obey Allah and His Messenger”?

    If you like to learn more about your religion, I suggest/request/beg that you do some research. If you have more questions and concerns about my comments, please write me up a line on my blog. I will be more than happy to get answers for you. May Allah guide us all to the right path.


  4. Haroon (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

    Don’t fret Xia. You will love how Pakistanis are coming along. http://pakistaniat.com/2006/10/31/diwali-pakistan-muslim-league/#more-393


  5. ash (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 10:30 pm

    tragic that some people cant tell the difference between a person saying happy xmas or diwali and a person saying i am not muslim and your faith is my faith.
    Words are not that confusing to me, and my faith is strong enough to not crack under the strain of being polite and welcoming to someone else.
    But hey, if you are going to crack under pressure then please dont do it.
    Tragic how the mumbai metrobloggs have eid mubarak written all over them and noone made up nonsensical reasons over there.
    Lets be at least as good as the rest of the world when it comes to being civil.


  6. xia (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 10:45 am

    the question is not about strong faith or cracks in faith etc etc. question is about the correctness of ones deeds. as a muslim, my goal is to get in jannah. to get to jannah, i must follow what my prophet told me and must not follow what he didn’t teach me or what he told me to stay away from. my prophet brought me Qura’n which is the ultimate guidance for me. my prophet’s sunnah is the perfect example for me to follow.
    this is not about having bad feelings for other religions. this is not about being hostile to minorities. this is not about being civil or no ncivil. this is only about pleasing others at the expense of your religion. and that is where i disagree. if you like to help a non muslim, go and guard their houses of worship when dumb and idiot and ignorant muslims try to destroy them. help them in their basic needs. help them at work by being nice to them and by showing them the true face of islam.


  7. Ahmer Khan (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 10:50 am

    This audio lecture by Sheikh Feiz is about celebrations forbidden by Islam such as Birthdays, Easter, Christmas, Halloween , Valentine ..ETC. Sheikh Feiz talks about the history of these useless and unislamic occasions and also talks about how to deal with people who celebrate these occasions.

    Born in Australia, Sydney, Feiz Muhammad travelled to Medinah seeking knowledge from several Scholars of Islam. After having spent 4 years studying in the Islamic University of Medinah, Sheikh Feiz travelled back to Sydney to live his dream – to call to the path of Allah. His unique style of speech attracts a wide range of listeners, and is very beneficial and interesting to listen to. At current, he is completing his Doctorate degree in Islamic Law in Malaysia, and we ask Allah (swt) to accept all of his work.

    Audio : Mp3
    Size : 10 MB
    Quality : Excellent
    Duration : 1 hr
    Comments : Not 2 b Missed

    Download:

    http://rapidshare.com/files/1495366/Sheikh_Feiz_-_Forbidden_Celebrations.mp3


  8. Rasgollah said it Else Where (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 6:18 am

    Ahmer Khan,

    I must say, the mullahs are the only people I have seen who denounce the festivals of other religions. I never heard a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh or Budhist doing that.

    About Sheikh Feiz receiving his scholarly insights during his 4-year stay in Medina, did you hear the Persian saying: “Khar-e-Isa choon ba Mecca rawad …”?

    And, by the way, why are these mullas suddenly
    converging on Australia? Is it because there is
    plenty of “uncovered meat” there?


  9. ash (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 10:35 am

    Well xia, so long as you believe in protecting nonmuslims and treating them with courtesy we are on the same side, i guess it matters much less if you wish them happy diwali or not.

    I sometimes wonder how people can believe that God dislikes nonmuslims so much when he created them but lets just leave that one alone because it could only sadden me to hear the answer.


  10. xia (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 12:56 pm

    not only treat non muslims with courtesy, but respect them and their beliefs and their property. A non muslim in a muslim country should feel the safest. too bad we have done totally opposite.

    According to my belief, God does not dislike nonmuslims. non muslims abondoned God when they started creating/associating partners with Him. This is shirk, which is the worst form of injustice to the creator. i am sure no muslim would disagree with me on that one. Non muslims still have a chance if they abonden their false religions and start obeying the Creator and not his creation while they still can.

    Sorry i couldn’t leave it alone. maybe someone needed to know.


  11. ash (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 6:17 am

    xia,
    For the first part thanks again.

    Lets just leave all final judgements to God, I am sure he doesnt need our help on that :)

    The koran also teaches us that “he forgives who he will and he knows who is best amongst you”


  12. xia (unregistered) on November 6th, 2006 @ 2:54 am

    Here is a good artice by Skeikh ul Islam, Nasir Uddin Albani.

    http://www.troid.org/articles/aqeedah/tawheed/roboobiyyah/originsofshirk.htm

    This article talks about origin of shirk. May Allah Guide us all.

    Ash: Please read Surrah An-Nisa verse 48. (4:48) Here are the translations from three different translators in english.

    YUSUFALI:
    “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.” (4:48)
    PICKTHAL:
    “Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.” (4:48)
    SHAKIR:
    “Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin.” (4:48)


  13. ash (unregistered) on November 6th, 2006 @ 9:22 am

    You are speaking to a muslim my friend. But why would the nonmuslims specially the illiterate ones, specially the ones who die in childhood , why would they be punished for not believing in islam especially if they’ve never heard of it?

    Me and you do not know the answers to everything. We know what we are taught to avoid for ourselves, thats all.


  14. fhussains@hotmail.com (unregistered) on November 6th, 2006 @ 9:44 am

    Ash: Good to know that you are muslim. Please try to write Qur’an as Qur’an and not as koran like most ignorant people do.

    Here is a hadith about a child who has not reached the right age. i.e. an age at which he/she can distinguish right from wrong. The age of puberty.

    Abu Daud – Book 38, Number 4389:

    Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There are three (persons) whose actions are not recorded: a sleeper till he awakes, a boy till he reaches puberty, and a lunatic till he comes to reason.

    Alhumdulillah, almost every sane person in this world have heard about Islam. It is upto them to understand its teaching and make a decision for themselves. Qur’an is avaialable in most of the languages that are spoken in this world. It is also a muslim’s responsibility to propagate islam to the fullest. This makes an excellent point that a muslim should not be greeting a non muslim with their greetings. How can we tell someone about the true religion if we act, behave and seems to agree with their beliefs? And Allah knows best.


  15. ash (unregistered) on November 6th, 2006 @ 10:20 am

    Allah does know best. But you dont.



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