One Nation – 3 Eids

Im speechless. First, some zonal Ruet-e-Hilal committee announces a moon sighting in the NWFP and the provincial government declares the start of Ramadan. Rest of Pakistan follow a day later.

On Sunday, October 22, committee reconvenes to determine moon sighting. Moon is seen in Peshawar and a few other areas, Ramadan decalred over after 29 fasts and Eid is celebrated on Monday, October 23. Rest of areas, namely Mardan and and some other areas, decide and determine that they have seen the moon and hence Ramadan ends with 30 fasts and Eid is on October 24th (i.e. Today).

Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committe convened last night (October24), and determined that the moon was officially not visible and hence Eid would be on Wednesday, October 25. Amidst all this, a few residents of Pasni, Chaman and even Mirpurkhas (Pasni and Chaman are close to each other, whereas Mirpurkhas is relatively far) are also celebrating Eid today.

Here is the even more interesting part. According to the Met department and an interview on TV by the KU observatory, it wasnt even possible to see the moon in the northern areas of Pakistan. Only the coastal areas would have been able to see the moon for a period of less than 20 mins, should weather conditions be favourable. The weather conditions, however, were not favourable and hence the moon was not seen, except for a few people in Pasni and Chaman. How Mirpurkhas determined the moon to be seen, or how the people of Mardan declared Eid today, is beyond logic.

This means that the people in Peshawar possibly saw the last moon of Ramadan, instead of the new moon for Shawwal when making their announcement.

For the people of Karachi, after the official holiday decaration from October 23 to 25, an additional day of holiday has been announced for October 26. Now we dont have to o to work on the second day of eid (thankfully!!). This also however, means that the entire nation will be closed for a period of over 5 days at a sretch, which will then be followed by Friday and Saturday, hence a whole week has been wasted.

On top of a wasted week, I guess its about time to re-evaluate where we stand as a nation. The Mirpurkhas announcement was led by a political party. The Mardan announcement too, was led by a religio-politocal party. same was the case was the initiatiation of Ramadan in NWFP about a month ago.

Congratulations, we are now a laughing stock, we dont seem to be able to agree with each other on anything! Not even on religious matters (even of the same school of thought).

Every politician blatantly screams of the weakening of state institutions, yet at this moment they have all done the same. The Central Ruet-e-Hilal committee exists for a purpose and takes into account opinions from other parts of the country too. Its important for evidence or eyewitness accounts to be unconnected in order to determine fairly if the moon has been seen.

It was possibly the same reason that the eyewitness accounts if 18 person were declared invalid by the committee when Ramadan started, which resulted in NWFP proceeding with going ahead with starting Ramadan.

To me, and to the rest of Karachi, I guess the greatest issue is the closure of business (except if you are a shopkeeper or supplier of eid related items).

On an ending note, wishing you all a very very happy eid.

18 Comments so far

  1. Ali (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:26 pm

    well atleast if you live in karachi you follow only one organisation which is Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committe and hence Eid on Wednesday whereas in London you have to give each other a call and ask “Aap ke aaj Eid the ya Kal hoge?”


  2. Sa'ad (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:28 pm

    Stupid idiots full of ego.
    We dont need another committee. We are a nation of followers. What we should do is kick all these idiot committees and give up. A simple solution would be to follow the imam in Makkah. I HATE this every year. Even over here there are like 10 committees to follow, the Egyptians, the US, the Europeans, the ultra Saudis, the pakhtoons. WTH.


  3. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:46 pm

    I think it shouldn’t an issue. I mean according to hadith if I personally have sighted moon then Eid/Ramadan is fard on me , no matter someone else observed it or not.

    I suspect royat committe had skipped a roza and now they have adjusted it :>

    @Saad: how can we follow Imam of Makkah? Imam of Makkah is not even followed by people of Makkah.


  4. salman siddiqui (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 4:19 pm

    I don’t agree with the suggestion that we should follow the Saudis in deciding when to celebrate Eid and when not to. This would divide the people even further as this article which appeared in dawn today points out: http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/24/nat13.htm

    But my questions is this. When science can easily predict with very high precision the start of a new moon, why are the mullahs bent on a visual sighting of the crescent moon? Especially in our changing times, where the level of pollution in the air, and other atmospheric dust make it difficult to have one such visual. I think we need to apply our heads more than our hearts in such matters, and accept the beginning of the new moon as how science informs us, and if need be, we should get it verified by some satellite floating above. We don’t need a Reut-e-Hilal committee….we need a NASA like body, whose results we could accept as fact and not fiction.


  5. UZi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 4:45 pm

    Admit it: we’re a messed-up nation! :D :P

    As for the 3 different Eids within one tiny country :: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!

    *falls off chair laughing*

    Here at our newspaper, we’re getting all sorts of reports from political figures (MNAs and stuff) about how they’ve bought eid gifts for people in their areas and how we should remember the “poor and the destitute” during festivities, and similar shit. What I don’t understand is, have these people not heard of the Hadith about “give in such a way that your left hand does not know about it?” jeez!!! These people make a mockery out of religion!!! :S


  6. Iqbal Shahid (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
  7. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 7:36 pm

    I was asking my project manager last week to take a day off on Monday, so she was like “Are you going back to Canada to enjoy your Eid festival there?”.
    And I was like “No!! well, I am not sure if they will celebrate Eid on monday or not because they have started Ramadan one day later, so I will just stay in US”. Then I was thinking like “what the heck… what she would be thinking about us”

    I respect all our religious leaders and the committee which is responsible for the declaration of moon sighting and have confirm belief that there is no any fixed date for any of the month and it all depends on moon sighting. But I do have a feeling that we being muslims should have unity to celebrate Ramadan and Eid on one day through out the world, no matter where the moon has been sighted, as there is just one moon.


  8. d0ct0r (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 8:36 pm

    Central Ruet-e-Hilal committee is simply messed up if moon is sighted in peshawar or for that matter in gwadar or pasnni then it SHOULD be announced and eid should be declared in whole of pakistan… Central Ruet-e-Hilal committee just approves moon sighting as long as its seen in karachi-lahore-islamabad…. my question for them is don’t you consider peshawar or pasni or gwadar to be part of pakistan? even if its sighted in only one city then whole country should follow!


  9. Sa'ad (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 8:42 pm

    @ Following imam of Ka’ba: Simply because we pray there 5 times and when go to there to perform umrah or hajj, we accept him as our imam. It shouldn’t hurt us to be unified for once.


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 10:28 pm

    Saad true but issue is that eid or any other festival is based on moon sighting on that particular region. Imam Ka’aba has nothing to do with the issue.

    THe only solution is to give further power to the comittee or just disolved it and let the people of particular region decide themselves whether they sight a moon or not.


  11. sadia (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 11:57 pm

    The point of Eid is to celebrate the day TOGETHER.. whats the point if everyone has different ‘eid days’

    What can I say.. welcome to Pakistan:) Let’s hope its better next year

    Chaand raat mubarak everyone :)


  12. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 12:58 am

    I have a question here, infact food for thought. Why we dont have a case yet, where Central Committe anounced a 29 Day Shaban/Ramadan and NWFP people said ‘we haven’t seen the moon so we are not going to observe Ramdan/Eid’. Isn’t it interesting to know that they always see it first and have no observation when being sighted elsewhere. Look likes a bunch of “jald-baz”.

    By the way eye-witnesses are evaluated based on three questions and are rejected if they failed to answer (1) Location where u sighted (2) Time of sighting (3) Orientation of the Moon. Today GEO is reporting NWFP ppl have serious conflicts on the method of evaluation of Central Committee.


  13. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 1:01 am

    More food for thought! why there is no conflict in rest of the 11 months?

    This is all political drama


  14. wasiq (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 3:05 am

    its not just about a nation…..iss dafa bahut sarey logoun ney eid GHALAT manayaa….!


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 10:15 am

    who said we are a single nation?

    @Sami: you are right. This is the first time tht both opposition and in govt people condemning the ignorance of few retards in Peshwar. There was certainly no chance of Eid on Monday and one or two people decided themselves and celebrated eid. They did wrong for themselves as they would have to keep a qaza roza after 3 days of Eid.


  16. xia (unregistered) on October 26th, 2006 @ 11:16 am

    Well, I agree and disagree. Yeah we should kick the religio-political commitees who have taken upon themselves to see the moon. But why don’t we send our representatives to them every month and get their representatives every month and all of them see the moon and witness it? How hard that would be.?? About Imam of Kabah, yeah that is a perfectly good idea. Why not all muslims celebrate eid on first sighting rule? No matter where the moon is sighted in the universe, if we have authentic witnesses, let all muslims celebrate it TOGETHER.

    Here is another question. Why do we celebrate eid in karachi if moon is sighten in lahore? What if moon is sighted in Taftaan Iran. Would we celebrate eid then or should we bind by man made country boundries? This is rediculous in my humble opinion.

    It is me and you who have to change this system. Unless we learn our deen ourselves, we will be joked around everywhere for our ignorance.


  17. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on October 26th, 2006 @ 1:14 pm

    In the presence of a national committe and as lawful citizen we have to respect national laws. We are not accountable for the mistakes done by the committe, they will be held responsible for that.

    Lahore exists within the territory of our Country, taftaan doesn’t.


  18. xia (unregistered) on October 28th, 2006 @ 9:29 pm

    That is what I said. We are bound by man made boundries when it comes to sighting of moon which is a joke. Either we all see moon in our own communities regardless of city boundries or we take the global sighting approach. Islam is not bound by man made boundries.

    Read my comments again. If you have further questions, just ask.



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