Karachi : The Focus

http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/03/march/mb/SC-karachi_a-thumb.jpgThe so labeled “more Muslim than Muslims” has taken oath as ACJP in Karachi & with it little focus shifted to Khi too & possibly last for a week considering how eager media is to cover its every bit with opportunities always in abundance (1,2,3). On other front Qazi, as “they always do” finally dragged religion successfully into this.
May God give him some sense.

While everyone, including the silent Altaf bhai has finally spoken too, its now media’s turn to play on its home ground & discuss after benefiting perfectly. So today’s main papers (DAWN, NEWS, JANG & DT) had enough “stuff” on main pages. Cowasjee had, as always, a good article today titled “Straaaaawberry jam” recalling a story about his meeting with president Zia just to free his “secured” tiffin basket (no no , it didn’t have Zia’s secrets, was just a lunch his wife had for him) & in actual sense summarizing as a whole the Army Mentality thus possibly concluding that it’s the Army behind this game & not the poor PM (& also sympathy qualified goats Durrani & W. Zafar).

But more importantly what was impressive was the over all content showing general public awareness/apprehensions (thanks to our media) from varied angels. (e.g “Heights of hypocrisy” & “the sword above” ).

Along with electronic media the papers ( me only managed reading the above 4 mentioned) were full of well written content (news, articles, letters). Mostly importantly for first time (since March 9) the papers are trying to dive into depth instead of moving with emotions. Till the ACJ leaves Karachi the media, it looks like, is not willing to let him go without anything, the way he was surrounded.

Keeping it short knowing fully aware of our well active readers here is just a small query: During one related search i came across SHC Karachi website. The first page mentions Nishtar park case. Didn’t it deal with any case for an year now ? OR will some concerned bother to update it?

(Original Image : Ali Adnan Qazalbash)

47 Comments so far

  1. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 5:30 pm

    nice topic MB.

    Iam sure there will be a good discussion….and i hope yo would be able to control the so called intellectuals from highjacking it:)


  2. BoZz (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

    Call me what ever you wish, but will someone please call this sorry excuse for a person, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, for what he is.

    Is there no one in our country who can eliminate this pest?

    A jihad against him and his party is the need of the hour.


  3. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

    it is shame that in this day and age we want to deny a Senior most Pakistani his right to assume the office of CJP!

    Non-Muslims living in Pakistan are as much pakistanis as are Muslims!

    it’s utterly disgracefull to oppose the appointment of the acting CJP because of his religion.

    Muslims are the ones who have damaged Pakistan the most, I can’t think of any non-muslim pakistani who has come even close to destroying pakistan!:)

    all the muslim leadership of every ruling/ex-ruling political party here thinks that if they are ousted from power or not re-instated asap then the country would break-up!!

    they shout this thing 10 times a day!


  4. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 6:28 pm

    Speaking of Altaf, he recently claimed that Pakistan Resolution doesn’t contain a word “Pakistan”, not wrong but it didn’t mean that a seprate state was not demanded at that time. Secondly he threatened once again for a seprate state.

    People might curse Altaf, they should but it should also be kept in mind that unless Pakistan doesn’t getrid of Punjab influence, it can’t get fruitful results and small provinces would keep protesting for rights. Surely It’s punjab who gives reason to people like Altaf to talk crap about splitting pakistan further. In past we lost Bangladesh due to similar factor,in future we might suffer similarly due to utter dictatorship of Punjab.


  5. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 6:33 pm

    i just wonder what the Muslims would do to any non-Muslim who says that !!

    i think they would lynch him/her in no time.

    Hypocrisy has seeped into the nations blood stream……i think only a blood transfusion can save it!


  6. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    Adnan:

    so what do u propose…?? should we give Punjab to India/Afg/ or USA…???

    One more thing….i don’t think current dictator who is ruling Pakistan for the last 8 years is from Punjab! Neither is the PM, Army Chief,CJP (is from Baluchistan, not an ethnic baloch but..) …chairman senate…..So at the moment this argument does not hold true…may be generally it does but not for the past 8 years at least:)

    Punjab is not that homogeneous as you might think. South Punjab resembles Sindh and Baluchistan more then it does punjab. DG Khan is mainly baloch….Rahimyar khan is seraiki+baloach, bahawalpur is seraiki (it’s a mix of Sindhi and punjabi), minawali is full of pushtuns……

    so don’t just look at the size…. but what exactly are u purposing in it’s place? we cant just shunt Punjab out of Pakistan, can we? i am sure u are not saying that!

    by the way…..Mr.Altaf is saying this anti Punjab thing but is too careful not to offend Mush!

    is it not because of the fact that he knows currently Urdu speakers control all the levers of power and his party is also a big beneficiary of that! they never had it better and without Mush will never again have it like this!

    Ayub khan was a pathan..he gave away 3 of the main rivers of punjab/Pakistan to India on a platter…there is a water crises there ever since and obviously sind also suffered because it was at the tail end.

    i am not saying Ayub sold out completely , maybe India would have taken these waters anyway, but at least he could have got a better bargain!

    if MQM wants to become a national party representing all ethnic group then it has to do away with this Punjab bashing…..

    otherwise all this talk would be useless as the people of Punjab, who already think of MQM as a narrow minded ethnic party, would never back him! and why should they?

    if tomorrow some Punjabi politician who had a track record of saying all the bad things about Urdu speaking people, which MQM says about Punjabi’s, came to Karachi and asked them for their votes…

    what do u think the people would do to him!! so he should expect the same!

    breaking Punjab would not have any difference as the total number of seats which the new provinces would hold in the NA would be same, due to population.

    the senate is a very good check on the power of the bigger province…every province in senate has equal number of seats and no law can be made without senate…

    so it really does not matter that much i Punjab is broken up or not. piratically speaking at least!


  7. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

    take care.

    c u all tomorow


  8. ash (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:13 pm

    ofcourse it was just a matter of time before people started recycling their greatest hits …qazi cant get a brain transplant so he has to say the same dumb things he always says…
    i agree with f ahmend that ethnic politics are unpleasant but sadly all politics in pakistan is chauvanism based and altaf just took the soft target …i think its sad specially since they just made posiive moves like dropping muhajir and using muttahaida …they are still a sensible party and i am sure they will move to the higher moral ground sooner or later and def. sooner than any other party.


  9. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

    F.AHmed: Don’t get emotional and Read again. I said Punjab not Punjabi.There is difference. Urdu speaking people live in Sind but they can’t be called Sindhi anyways.

    Offcourse Musharraf and Ayub are not Punjabis but whatever they did was to guard intrest of Punjab. Did Ayub do anything for Pathans? Did Mush do Anything for urduspeaking people? Offcourse not! Unlike Punjabis, I can publicily condemn the policies of Musharraf and Altaf.

    As far as your question about Punjab that whether it should be given to someone else? This might be your solution and you can ask Punjab people about it. What I say that Punjab would have to quit its Chaudhrahat and consider other provinces important as well otherwise we would keep listenings things by Altaf ,Bugti and JSQM’s GM Syed about seprate states. Punjab gives them reason to talk like that otherwise they couldn’t be so vocal about sepration.

    Pls do remember that Karachi was the orignal capital of Pakistan. It was moved to Punjab by building a new city to fulfill Punjab’s intrest.

    Also do remember that it’s not ONLY MQM who has issues with Punjab. All three provinces cry over the pathetic attitude of Punjab towards them. Karachi gives more revenue than any city of Punjab yet enjoyes no benefit. The money of Karachi was rather used to build a modern lahore. After 92 military clash between MQM and military, Karachi was deserted by shifting to Punjab. Electricity is cheaper in Punjab than Karachi or other part of city. If you are not willing to accept all these facts then one is quite helpless to convince you or any other person who has a soft corner about punjab.


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:27 pm


    was deserted by shifting to Punjab.

    should be read as:

    was deserted by shifting more industries to Punjab.


  11. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:31 pm


    like dropping muhajir and using muttahaida

    On a lighter note,The way more and more actors and singers joining MQM these days[unlike orignal MQM supporters who were Doctors, Engineers etc], MQM should be called now as “Meerasi Qomi Movement” :D


  12. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:41 pm

    MB, please try to keep the formatting to a minimum. It makes it a bit harder to read.

    And also, a bare minimum of links would also be appreciated.


  13. Obi Wan Kenobi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

    FIRST COMMENT FROM this F. Ahmed WAS

    Iam sure there will be a good discussion….and i hope yo would be able to control the so called intellectuals from highjacking it:)

    Out of those 15 comments, 10 are from F. Ahmed and 3 are from Adnan. Could some body help this blog ??


  14. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 9:18 pm


    Out of those 15 comments, 10 are from F. Ahmed and 3[4 now] are from Adnan.

    And 1 from you now. You are most welcome to kick everyone out and share your wisdom knowledge[Hikayaat] with residents of this blog.

    Now,

    Could some body help this blog ??


  15. MB (unregistered) on March 25th, 2007 @ 11:40 pm

    “F. Ahmed” moderated now…lolz


  16. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 12:48 am

    Wow, some (Read: TWO) ppl are bored/excited.

    The following is just a rant & maybe quite off-topic, comments begin after the -(line).

    1) Most ppl will agree, its always best to leave Altaf out of any discussion. He’s a sorry excuse for life, terrorist and since i wont pay any attention to a stray/barking dog, dont care what he says.

    2) Qazi Hussain is no better & why everyone is getting worked up on what he says? Dunno.

    3) No one ecxept MQM’s bring provinces into Each & Every argument, you don’t find punjabis slinging mud at sindhi’s. You don’t find Pathans & Sindhi’s abusing each other, yet, like the Jews, Time & memorial it seems it is only MQM (& in no way do i mean Muhajirs) who’s crying for their Haqq (“Right”).

    Having been in power, atleast 5 of the Mush years, MQM still cries at every opp. One of the minister (Baber Ghauri i think) –(who incidentally has still not been reprimanded for the “ACCIDENT” in which all the records of his scams were burnt away!)– had the nerve of saying that the crisis in the country are a “Sazish” against President Mush. Since our enemies are jealous of or prosperity, they want to bring down the great, stable government.

    Anyone who believes this Mush sponsored rhetoric, get inline with Qazi & Altaf.

    Shortcut = Bihari, Mush = Bihari (Im sure his dad was), All ministries with MQM, Corruption during this government = greatest EVER! Yet tum logoun pe Punjab zulm kar raha hai??
    Instead of burning your bridges, it would be wiser to swim with the tide as “All good things must come to an end” & the day Mush goes, it would be 1993 (Naseer-ullah Baber) all over again- only worse.

    Justice Bhagwandas seems to be a reasonable man who has worked hard to reach where he is today.
    Despite him being a Hindu, not that that is or should be a disadvantage, his brother judges have found him competent enough to succeed to the highest of levels & if anyone has any problem with that (His religion), where were they when before? Did all these ppl, STRIKING for justice, not realize that in case anything were to happen to the CJ, a non-believer would replace him? Or were they too busy eating Halwas!?
    (I think i just answered that :P).
    Btw, if anyone knows anything about the Justice system, you would know that the Sindh bar association is full of Sindhi Hindu’s at different levels and positions.

    One hopes that Mr. Bhagwandas would deliver justice, but it would be foolish to believe that Mush would’ve let him take over if he was not ready to play ball. One should also remember that despite his Religion, he is a Pakistani & that alone qualify’s him to be as corrupt as everyone else + having risen to his level, he has to have a long trail of dirt behind him.

    The only difference this appointment will make is that, now Mush/ the Gov will have a Judge who will shut up and mind his own business.

    Mush will be ‘re-elected’ “LEGALLY” for the next xx years (till he dies basically).

    No more questions on missing people.
    No Q’s will be asked when Shortcut sells off PSO to Mansha/Petronas group.
    There would be no investigation in the sale of HBL (As promised by Justice Chaudery)
    KESC & PTCL will continue to send all their earnings abroad without a single cent being reinvested into the infrastructure.

    & if Al-Tawarqi group plays thier cards right, they might as well be re-awarded the rights to PSM & might get extra incentives, as an apology, for the license they were awarded for setting up a steel mill (Apart from PSM that is).

    Ahh the joys of not being a Banana Republic :)


  17. Tamed~. (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 5:17 am

    @Red_Munk

    Please take note that being urdu speaking does not necessarily ‘qualify’ you for being a Behari.

    Shoukat & Mushi could be urdu speaking but are not Beharis.

    Baray sobay walay cannot label every urdu speaking person a behari.

    & one more thing, were you supporting what Naseerullah Babar did in 93?
    Don’t tell me that you are devils advocate!


  18. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 5:56 am

    Not all urdu speaking people are bihari, nor do all urdu speaking support MQM & their beliefs.

    Having said that, im 110% sure that Shoukat Aziz is a bihari. He’s a very good friends Mamoo (uncle) & ive met him a few times (before and during his PM ship).
    As for Mush, i know that his dad was a bihari, not sure of his mom though.

    My point was racism & finger pointing. My point was that some ppl seem to be unhappy, even when everything is going in their favour.

    As for Naseerullah Baber, 93 i was around 8 years old, all i remember from that period is fear.
    Fear of having my car shot at (twice) when i went to the chemist for medicine for my mom.
    Fear out of the grusome & horrifying images one came across, Living ppl being DRILLED in, having Ciggaretts poked into their skins, battery acid poured onto their skins and into their eyes, their bodies being hung by meat rods in parks for days. Or Slaughter cells where innocent men were riddled with bullets when they refused to succumb to terror.
    Fear/Anger on the fact that one of my class mates was shot 3 times after he spat on a poster of Altaf.
    Fear/Anger when my best friend found out that his dad was never going to return from the milk store with bread- Ever.

    Anger at a group of ppl who stand on a foundation of terrorism, yet consider themselves Supreme & follow a Dog who does nothing but bark.

    Despite killing & tormenting countless lives, the men are living a life on luxury (Our honurable Guv for starters), while the entire nation is forever deprived of the services of men like Dr Hakim Saeed (again, just one in many).
    Yet it is them who’s Haqq is not being given?

    Discrediting Naseerullah Babar would go against everything we have said, for wby should one appoligise for justice??

    Oh & “Barey sobay walay”. HA!


  19. ash (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 5:59 am

    red munk not being in (or maybe from?) the banana republic i think you have sadly misunderstood the debate…punjabi’s and sindhis have always had quota’s in the govt at every level, they are always sitting pretty in any feudal type govt they have never been targetted by the govt in their own city solely for being one ethnicity..and as for everyone being bihari? or jewish ?i think you may need to brush up on your knowledge of pakistan/karachi before you make any further senseless anologies.


  20. ash (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 6:02 am

    i am not condoning the gruesome violence that mqm was undoubtably part of i am truly sorry about the events you mentioned i could tell you some more and maybe youd understand why mqm is still heaviy supported here.
    But yes, ethnic chauvanism is wrong no matter who does it .


  21. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 10:25 am

    @Adnan: thanks for you reply. i am not being emotional!:)

    Pleas ask any pathan and how would even today sing praises of Ayub khan and what he did for pathans! do u find many pathans abusing Ayub’s legacy?. Are u saying that AYUB signed away there major rivers of punjab (punjab means 5 rivers and he gave away 3 of these 5 to india i.e 60%). So u mean he did punjab a favour and was following the wishes of the people of punjab?? i don’t think this argument is defend-able ?

    i asked u a question. what is you solution if you don’t like punjab? give a solution don’t repeat age old hate against punjab. do u have a solution?

    Kindly note tell me what was wrong in shifting the capital to Punjab (it’s a federal territory now)?? . When the capital was in Karachi, every major street agitation used to bring the govt. down as one ethnic group controlled Karachi…

    is the new capital controlled by Punjabi’s? there are more illegal afghans there then Pakistanis!

    can u tell me who shifted the capital? was it a Punjabi?

    al the provinces cry because Punjab is biggest in population and they feel threatened/inferior…

    who launched the operation against MQM in 92? BB! Is she a punjabi? her interior minister Babur was not a punjabi!

    please stop using this argument if you want pakistan to survive. acc to this argument pakistan has no future till the majority of the population is a punjabi!

    pubjab/sind/all provinces have quotas for jobs. if yo live in pubjab or sind then you can apply form that province’s quota. the punjab govt for example won’t ban an urdu speaking person from getting a govt join on it’s quota if he/she is has a Punjab domicile!

    for your information there are hundreds of thousands of Urdu speaking people settled in Multan and in every election one they elect MNA fron their community! did u know that?

    i know friend who was from karachi and got a domicile from punjab and got admission to a professional college in Lahore! no body there objected as he had a valid domicile!

    only in your beloved sind do you have rural/urban quotas…not in the Punjab. Bhutto senior made these quotes! . i know people who came to Karachi in different colleagues/univ and they were badly beaten by MQM and told not to come again otherwise they would be killed, and many were!!.

    i was born and bread in Karachi and i went to a univ in Lahore and never experienced any ethnic based hatred! people in Punjab have special respect/admiration/love for people of Karachi. if you just lived there for a few years your whole perception would change!

    for your information there are around 25% pathans in the pak army (hardly 10 -15% of the total population of pak) & similar numbers in other sectors so if the pathan cringe about the punjab domination then what can u call that?

    and mind you Karachi does not generate 60 or 80% of Pakistan’s revenue!!!. It is the only port city and all the exports and imports pass through it hence the custom dept is located here and all the taxes duties are collected here. it does not mean that all the goods exported from Pakistan originate from Karachi! does it? and this is claimed by MQM!

    @MB :

    I was always a moderate/centrist…..:))

    just looking for a good debate and against personal attacks on the people who post their comments here!


  22. MB (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 10:49 am

    @F Ahmed: Brother a personal request to you:

    This blog is all yours & treat is as such but its better to write one whole comment properly then in bits & pieces. Hope you understood my point. If there is too much to convey just relax, open MS WORD & write a proper comment & paste it in comment box. I had to work hard on your spelling. lolzzz Hope you won’t mind this.

    @F Ahmed @Adnan:

    It was very interesting that the main point in this topic was the print media handling the issue of CJP now with a focus shifted little on Karachi & I was eager to know your views especially on that Cowasjee article but as always happens the discussion seems to pick just one line & start on it.

    But anyways, feel free to take the post to a ride.lolzzzz


  23. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 10:53 am

    Karachi’s industrial capacity is the most important for pakistan, no doubt!

    but we should not cry or get jealous if punjab or other regions are developing fast…

    people of karachi should work hard and make it even better and stop crying about the prosperity of other regions/provences!

    “jaalnay or kurhnay say kiyss hoo gaa??”


  24. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 10:56 am

    Karachi’s industrial capacity is the most important for pakistan, no doubt!

    but we should not cry or get jealous if punjab or other regions are developing fast…

    people of karachi should work hard and make it even better and stop crying about the prosperity of other regions/provences!

    “jaalnay or kurhnay say kiyaa hoo gaa??”


  25. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:04 am

    @MB

    Thanks for your comments. i will try to follow your instructions, sir!

    but the thing is, i am sitting in my office and try to post my comments, in bits and pieces, while working at the same time and therefore due to haste….i make a lot of spelling mistakes, i hope you can forgiv m fo that:)

    well…..if you read my earlier comments i was quite in line with the topic and later i tried to reply to comments posted by others. in a discussion forum like this its bound to haapen. but i agree we shoul tryto stick to the topic:)


  26. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:12 am

    @MB:

    I really admire this very upright gentleman, Cowasjee.

    he basically highlighted the military mentality which is very much one track!

    i was in a college run by the military for 5 years before i went to university and i completely understand and agree with what he pointed.

    military people are trained that way, not to question orders…..can we blame them?

    just imagine if, during a battle, an officer give a command to his troops and they start a discussion forum like this and debate about following that order or not….i don’t think that would be a good idea:)

    bu the whole point is that the arm is not trained to run a civilian govt/institution!

    would u allow an engineer to carry any operation on you, Gof forbid should you need one? what the army is doing now a days is exactly this!


  27. MB (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:26 am

    It is interesting to note that our educated class, instead of asking the Army to make corrections want Mush to stay JUST BECAUSE there is no alternative.

    As i occasionally point out. If Mush goes no sky would fall. A new face will take over. And is it not that in a democracy the institutions & not the individuals are strengthen. Mush had 7 years, enough a period to at least do one ehsaan on this nation i.e to remove the corrupt. And all he did is make himself the all in all JUST BECAUSE all major parties are corrupt to core.

    What he doesn’t want to know is the fact that on any given day if he is not alive. He will be blamed ( as with AYUB & ZIA ) for doing nothing but only extending his tenure & power.

    So cowasjee has perfectly highlighted ARMY mentality. But more importantly concluded that its the ARMY who is behind the CJP issue & PM etc are just goats.


  28. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:32 am

    as i said a few days back in another post, the PM and his cabinit could not even go to the toilet with Mush’s approval so if he tries to put the blame on his mistakes on his politician lacky’s then no one would believe him!

    he is behaving same a Robert Mugabe now a days! Mujabe was the leader who won independence for his country almost 3 decades back but has overstayed his welcome and now would be thrown in the dustbin of history…i think the exact same is true for our Mush!


  29. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:43 am

    “.. It is interesting to note that our educated class, instead of asking the Army to make corrections want Mush to stay JUST BECAUSE there is no alternative..”

    i don’t think you above observation is right in the current situation at least!

    i used to support him…but due to the recent debacles dubious sale of steel mills, the CJP issue..etc

    iam fed up with him and have come to the conclusion that he has to go as he has become a bigger risk to pakistan then the other factors he has been trumpting for the last many years!

    you are right MB…. the sky won’t fall if he goes!


  30. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 12:02 pm

    Iam not comparing Mush/Mugabe to nelson mendala (he is not even 1% like him)….but as a politician Mandela knew when to bow out with dignity!

    imagine if Mendala had clinged to power till date…. the people would have been fed up with him like they are with Mugabe!


  31. JayJay (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 3:24 pm

    I completely agree that there is no place for the Punjab in the present Pakistan. People of the province are different from the rest of the country. They don’t fit in. Punjabis are hardworking, practical, enterprising, outgoing and determined by nature. While all other provinces are distracted by internal strife, the Punjab has been an island of tranquility for many years, not concerning itself if the Punjab does not have its fair share in a Punjabi-dominated establishment. The Punjab is progressing economically at a pace faster than rest of the country. It has been acting as the locomotive for progress, where other carriages are trying their best to derail the whole train.

    Although the Punjab’s share from the Federal kitty is less than Sindh or NWFP per capita, its road network is extensive and studier, the supply of utilities is uninterrupted, poverty is far less, GNP higher, literacy higher, cities well developed in comparison, industry is thriving and agriculture is ready to jump into another phase of professional farm management.

    Perhaps, the province should rediscover its eastern half for furthering opportunities and continuing progress as there is only anarchy and jealousy in its south and the west.


  32. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 4:27 pm

    Haha, so much for a single post F.Ahmed! :P.
    Valid points none the less (+ extra effort for MB :P).

    @ Ash. I NEVER said everyone is bihari.
    “Not all urdu speaking people are bihari, nor do all urdu speaking support MQM & their beliefs”

    Punjabi’s having a quota? Just to ammuse you, what province does MQM consider itself from? Muhajiristan?. Wake up & smell the roses. There never was such a place, never will be.
    Karachi is a part of Sindh & everyone born here is elegible for the quota seat.

    Every province has a ministry quota, every province gets its ministers. & if uve ever even been to Lahore, ud realise that one picks up the Punjabi accent really fast + its a very important language as a lot of ppl speak it, Hence be it Sherpao or Amin Faheem, everyone speaks the language.

    “they have never been targeted by the govt in their own city solely for being one ethnicity.”

    & im the one who doesnt have his facts straight?

    How is it that before MQM, everyone was a Pakistani. Wasnt MQM called “MOHAJIR quomi movement”??
    You guys “fought” for your rights, you wanted to be identified as Mohajir. As they say, be carefull what you wish for.

    And forget about the past for a min. Look at Mush’s cabinate. Every important federal ministry is with MQM. You guys are entrenched in every organisation and at every level, yet you’re still blaming others for your own shortcomings.

    I compared them to the Jews, as no matter what happens & regardless of how powerfull they get, they blame everyone they can for the Holocaust.
    Till today the German ppl are paying Jews compensation even when it was not their fault.

    “MQM is heavilly supported here”

    Where? Karachi? you’ve never asked a person on the road have you?

    Spending Gov money to hire every major billboard in the city, filling boxes with you party ballots does not show how much you are “liked”. MQM has always been & will continue to be a small terrorist organisation that unfortunately is supported by the agencies to act as a proxy in various govs.


  33. pkhan (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

    This is in reference to F.Ahmad & MB, Could you guys name a single politician who will take over once Musharaff is gone. We pakistani love to see our Presidents/Primeministers go as soon as they fed up or they make a wrong move? Do;t we? Musharaff is working very hard to bring prosperity, and Shaukat Aziz left his well paid Job to give his services to the Nation.As far as CJ case is concerned, they are saying what ever decision will be given they will follow?People talk about Steel mill. How many of u have visited Steel Mill.Its a white Elephant?Govt Should never run the Businesses?
    About MQM and Bihari’s, its so pitty that you educated people still talk about ethnicity?ARE WE ALL NOT PAKISTANI First? Whats Wrong in dividing Hard to Govern Big Provinces in to a Smaller Adminstrative Unit. We all need to change Our mentality which is taking us to the dark ages?


  34. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

    @PKHAN:

    Mush is not the last man who can rule pakistan….had u heard about Shortcut aziz before he became a minister?

    do you knoe that besides steel mills many thousand of acres of adjacent land were sold with it, their total worth at todays mkt value was more then 200 billion PKR!

    That is what people are objecting to not the white elephant i.e the steel mills! by the way i ave vivited the steel mills:)

    yo are right the business of govt is not running business!

    can u tell me what difference woul it make to bifucate punjab?? except satisfy some egos!

    even if punjab is divided in 5 provnces the total number of seats in national assembly would remain the same for the new provences.

    and one more thing…now punjab had around 25% of seats in the senate…the new provences would have equal share in the senate and in that way the if eg 3 provences are created from the current punjab then the representation of punjabis in senate would increase 3 folds!! have u given any thoughts to that!then you would again shout against punjab!

    i agree that it’s a pitty that we are still talking interms of ethnicity!

    the great urdu speaking people should stop calling themselves muhajir!! it means refugee…..r they her on a temporary stay and plan to go back?


  35. pkhan (unregistered) on March 26th, 2007 @ 11:33 pm

    F.Ahmed, You are right Musharaff is not the last to Serve the nation but atleat he is sincere in his effort.Our Society need a shock to wake up. Go any where in the world people talk about their nation not the provinces or the ethnicity.People like you should understand that in pakistan Money talk, we just can not blame Govt for all the missdeeds ,we the people are part of it. Its easy to give 100 or 200 to a police man then to go to court and pay the fine,,then we blame police for bribery? Go any where in any department same situation?People will not take there time but will blame the system.Same with steel mill please go back and read the judgement on steel mill.CJ did not name any one person for the price of the steel mill? It might be low but should Govt Feed the steel mill from its fund?
    As far as Calling Muhajir(Urdu Speaking)as Muhajir is wrong.Why you the litterate community try to change that thinking?instead of repeating it again and again. You have to clear your thinking then you as litterate can change the thinking of others(who unfortunately are not Litterate).We should not be playing POLITICS on day to day basis. once we vote some one let them serve or kick them out in next election.
    Please be positive and TRY to do atleat one good deed?


  36. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 12:15 am

    @PKHAN;

    I can not disagree with u on most of the above points!

    this country has been hurt more by the CSS/AMRY/….i.e the educated elite, not by the uneducated people!!!

    Mush did a lot of good, not doubt! BUT if on overstays their welcome then they only get Zillat in return. he should bow out gracefully and let another person take charge peacefully, while there is still time.

    please note that in the steel mills case the CCOP i.e chairman of cabinit comettee on privatization was none other then PM himself and he approved it with a few hours of the bidding.

    do u know that the consortium which bid for it was different and the company to which the steel mill was to be transferred in the end was different! and PM can’t even piss without Mush’s permission……:)

    so, even if this govt. is re-elected in the next election, it has lost credibility and no one except the Mush tatoos would accept the result and there would be more anarchy!!


  37. pkhan (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 12:41 am

    You can differ on the policy but please act and write like a GENTLEMAN.Just to let you know That that to become an ARMY GENERAL you do not PAY BRIBE. Its your Efforts and smartness and TRAINING> They are the CREAM OF THE SOCIETY. After Spending 25/35 years in Army these people are well discipline people(you yourself Was in Army?).Where you can get that kind of Training.I hope and pray that Musharaff stays on Amin.


  38. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    @PKHAN;

    Sorry if you found any part of my writing inappropriate:))it was certainly not intentional!

    Iam not saying that the Army generals are not educated or are under-educated. my point is that they get a particular type of traing (like people in different fields) and the last thing they are trained for is to govern civilians!

    it’s like an engineer performing brain surgery!! there may be a good engineer with excellent managerial skills who can certainly run a hospital’s day to day affairs but would yo like to treated by him for,od forbid, any sickness?

    i have all the respect for our Army and this is my sincere hope that they concentrate on defending the frontiers, mybe civilians need an army danda in the back ground, but army should not run the utilities,services, factories, stel mills…….etc


  39. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 1:23 am

    I agree with pretty much everything F.Ahmed has said so far. All over the world, where ever the armed forces have interfeered, that country has suffered.

    The smartest thing the next legitimate government could do, would be to change the constitution in such a way that the armed forces can never be able to govern again. Like Turkey, maybe they can overthrow the government if required, but they cannot put in a Army man to rule.

    & PKHAN, no disrespect but are you sober?

    “That that to become an ARMY GENERAL you do not PAY BRIBE. Its your Efforts and smartness and TRAINING> They are the CREAM OF THE SOCIETY”

    First of all there is a severe brain-drain in our country. All the good students go abroad & the majority do not come back.
    2/3rds of my family have been in the armed forces for over a century. Jittna Nepotism Army mein hain, itna kissi aur institution mein nahi.

    And dont take my word for it, look at the amount of “New” Majors and Generals in the past 7 years.

    Mush has been handing out undeserved promotions to keep everyone happy + he keeps shuffling them around OR making them take early retirements, making sure he is the only powerfull comander around.

    Btw, going back to Nawaz Sharif, Mush wasnt even the deserving COAS, he was 4th in line but was reccomended as He would be a willing partner.

    Baldie was lucky not to meet the same end as ZA Bhutto!.


  40. MB (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 2:40 am

    @PKHAN
    Dear bro I had already said there is no alternative to Mush right now, & this is exactly why Mush is black mailing his fans, making them believe as if he is the last hope which if you remember AYUB & ZIA have done exactly that & so does every dictator ( even if he is better than politicians).

    Now the fact that Mush may be innocent in thinking he is the last hope but does you honestly believe he thinks he is the last hope?. You will agree that he knows very well is JUST ANOTHER DICTATOR & is taking steps which give an impression as if he only wants to stay in power & not deliver on what he should on which is the general economy, poverty, governance, services etc. All he has been able to manage is lift the elite economy which (1) is thankfully due to WESTERN money (2) is not even bring down the trickling effect on common man reason being its again the 2% he is benefiting.

    As i said earlier if only one out of 100 things in the list would have been done by him in last 7 years (enough period) the people would support him. e.g. corruption or governance or at least one good step in education or health sector but you know nothing as such has happened.

    And these are the reasons that, now the word you used “but at least he is sincere in his efforts” is being seen with serious doubts by even the media & intelligentsia. And no we are in no dream that any holy Mush will rescue us there fore no need for shock wave. But at least you should be confident in mentioning at least one sector which has excelled in his tenure (hope you won’t come up with answer like number of cars or cellular connections).

    As for the point about Army generals working hard & not using bribe to reach a position then well so did HITLER & so did all the cruel generals. Does their hard work in any way give them a right which allows them to consider them above law?

    And also our nation has sacrificed too much for the aayashees of these generals & if you are unaware of the heroics our generals are all about read this article by Javed Chaudhry.
    http://express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100141736&Date=20070308&Issue=NP_LHE
    http://express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100142447&Date=20070309&Issue=NP_LHE

    These so called generals are getting more then what they deserver & its time for them to sacrifice. The nation has lot of respect for low ranking army officers but not the generals, that’s the honest & bitter truth the Army should now & acknowledge & act accordingly.

    Read this too if you have time :
    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2006-daily/06-05-2006/editorial/col5.htm


  41. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 3:38 am

    MB: “But at least you should be confident in mentioning at least one sector which has excelled in his tenure ”

    Ppl related to him & the bottom of the barrel, scum who’re doing everything from land grabbing to organised crime and currouption to make millions of $’s.

    Hope that was a satisfying answer!

    ^ , ^

    (Oh and since you mentioned it.
    Best Example given by the gov of our booming Eco!:
    Nokia selling all these handsets.

    Motor comanies making everyone a MAMOO by charging a Premium/AUN on every car sold & that too at mad prices – You must have seen Tata ad’s on tv, selling a Safari starting at 6 & a 1/2 lakh while a corolla starts at 9 lakh! –

    & all the banks leasing these cars, since aur to koi kaam ho nahi raha yahan. No industries, no investment. Nothing).


  42. MB (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 8:35 am

    I was asking if there is just one example, which is not. I was not saying there is one & FKHAN should mention it.

    by the way the examples were interesting..lol


  43. Pkhan (unregistered) on March 27th, 2007 @ 10:53 pm

    MB,F.Ahmed and Munk, Do not you remember we as a country were at the Brink of Bankruptcy 1999?Some million dollars were there as foreign exchange?Now how much we have?13Billion? Right. Please go back and find from CityBank web site about Shaukat Aziz, what he had achieved in city bank.Now u will say about foreign remitances made that happen? What a starting salary for a fresh MBA or BCS? You know it.Trikkle effect will take some time to show to the bottom line its not a magic wound that thing will change overnight.There policies aren in the right course.You ask for one thing of there achievement> just look around only in karachi how much development is happening?Can’t you see that ?How?I understand our whole system is corrupt but we will achieve the results with the passage of time.Name one leader of a political party who can assume power and run the country?Qazi Hussain, Benazir?Nawaz Sharif? or may be Imran Khan?WoW.
    Army generals are the most patriotic people on our earth?what if they are not civillian?


  44. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 28th, 2007 @ 10:25 am

    @PKHAN:

    you are just missing the point…:))

    how ever sincere the ARMY is, once they get involved in the govt affairs they get currupted over time and what happens to the country when the curruption in the ARMY reaches the same levels as in the civilian leadership??

    who will come to save the country then?

    no one can deny the good work Mush did, mostly because the sanctions were lifted and we got aid!

    but the status quo can only last at the expense of the country!!

    sorry to say, BUT your arguments are starting to mirror those of WASI ZAFER and Durrani!:))


  45. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 28th, 2007 @ 10:30 am

    @PKHAN:

    you are just missing the point…:))

    how ever sincere the ARMY is, once they get involved in the govt affairs they get currupted over time and what happens to the country when the curruption in the ARMY reaches the same levels as in the civilian leadership??

    who will come to save the country then?

    no one can deny the good work Mush did, mostly because the sanctions were lifted and we got aid!

    but the status quo can only last at the expense of the country!!

    sorry to say, BUT your arguments are starting to mirror those of WASI ZAFER and Durrani!:))


  46. MB (unregistered) on March 28th, 2007 @ 11:40 am

    @PKHAN
    meray pyarey bhai you are as everyone is repeatedly saying missing the point.

    You are repeating the “THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE” logic which not only holds true but luckily the only pretext for mush to stay & chill.

    The only new thing you said was the “Trikkle effect will take some time ” which i swear i agree but suppose it takes 25-50 years, does it imply MUSH should stay there for that much of time?

    what i am saying is instead of having that trickling down in 25-50 years ( during which ironically problems would multiply 10 times too ) why he didn’t/doesn’t accomplish things which are more important and easy to achieve “if there is will” which include removal of corruption. It should have taken him not more then 5 years clean the mess at the top (ARMY,BORE-CRAPPY,POLICE). Had he done that i would consider him above Quai-e-Azam frankly….

    the way mulla party is against him if one day we wake up and suddenly find ourselves without MUSH, who will wait for the “the trickling down” then ? the corrupt will again take ova and we are back to square one.

    MUSH will go down in history as JUST ANOTHER DICTATOR . What you say ? Don’t you think so ?


  47. pkhan (unregistered) on March 28th, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    Corruption is all over the place in pakistan in each and every department.If you ask me Police is the least Corrupt in terms of money? You do a bad deed you give them money? Have you ever thought about,Income tax, Customs, House building finance there rate starts with thousand and goes to million. So lets not throw a Govt down because of corruption?look what good they are doing to the overall country. Musharaff Sons still works overseas he did not make him a CEO of a company?If you can wait 60years for good governance why not next five more years.
    MB/F.Ahmed, we should always look at the thing in a positive way.Keep hope ALIVE and try to do best in your field Govt comes and go > you know what happen when govt changes?



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