Saahil Bachao…SAVE Karachi’s Beaches

For a good many days a heated discussion has been in progress talking about the sale of the Karachi beach front to a Dubai based real estate developer. The entire Clifton Bay beach is to be developed and then linked to Manora Island by a bridge. This real estate development will continue along Sandspit and Hawkes bay where the Sugar City is to be constructed.

Manora_Beach.JPGThe Manora Island is then said to also house a five star hotel and this island will later be linked to Keamari with a bridge and the development is to continue along the coast up to the DHA golf club. On a causal look it appears to be a great initiative but what surprises everyone (including me) is that the concept seems to have been visualized and conceived in Dubai and is being pushed down the throat of the citizens of Karachi without any due thought process by its residents. Have a look at the presentation made by the developers to the ‘all knowing’ owners of our city, they seem to have it all thought out and planned without even the courtesy to even bring it into discussion to the local populace which will be directly affected by this development, it undoubtedly will impact ‘the future generation’ as this as conceived by the developers will most definitely outlive the very people who think ‘this should be the future of Karachi’.

We all know that Sandspit is also the nesting ground for the for Green and Olive Ridley Turtles where the WWF-Pakistan has established wetlands for this purpose. But more importantly the only recreational spot for Karachi is to be snatched away for some visionary plan which seems to be quite far fetched. Why? Why? do I smell a number of rats trying to push the plan around in the hope of getting a handsome kickback once it is approved. If these are the same leaders who are actively pushing the concept of an Elevated Expressway on top of Shahrai Faisal, then I have some serious reservations on their proposal to annihilate our beaches.

The Rabita Zone blog has been at the forefront prompting this issue and a group of concerned citizens in Karachi formulated a petition which you can also sign it here More details can be obtained by contacting the concerned activists Tahera Hasan (tahera.hasanatgmaildotcom) or Arif Hasan (arifhasanatcyberdotnetdotpk)

38 Comments so far

  1. redsnapper (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:44 am

    Add to this the disturbing news of shifting the naval base to Cape Monze.

    Just beyond Cape Monze lies the Mubarak Village where a centuries old community has resisted, for several years, an eviction by Navy. Their fate will be sealed by this move.


  2. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:49 am

    I go to the beach every weekend, this is f***ing bs.

    One of my friends huts @ hawks bay have been taken away for “development” purposes. No copmensation or nothing + the Courts refused to do anything.

    When they tried to push the case, they got a threatning call to shut up & forget about it.

    The Rabita Petition is just an online one, but atleast its a start. Please do fill it out & get everyone to contact their local Nazims or e-mail the city’s first man @ :

    citynazim@karachicity.gov.pk

    (I dunno who’s incharge for the sandspit/hawksbay region, you can find more e-mail addy’s here:
    http://www.karachicity.gov.pk/contus.asp )

    Bringing the issue to the front pages of the news papers and TV is the only chance of something happening. Play your part in getting the info there.


  3. wasiq (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:58 am

    get out of town! how did you bring on so many colors…the HTML>for color doesn’t seem to work for me here at the KMB……please please let me know its so damn depressing to write in black only….


  4. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 4:16 am

    Dude, MS word…30 rupee’s ki cd milti hai :).

    & by the by, check out the video’s tags & the users other posts. + the comments on the “INAUGURATION OF KARACHI SIX MEGA PROJECTS”, paints a picture.

    Anyone who’s lived in the city for ONE day would realise what a load of BS this proposition is.

    Pehle give the ppl clean runnin water, continous electricity & healthcare. Then talk about “Once in a lifetime vacationing oppertunities”. (Dude, MS word…30 rupee’s ki cd milti hai :).

    & by the by, check out the video’s tags & the users other posts. + the comments on the “INAUGURATION OF KARACHI SIX MEGA PROJECTS”, paints a picture.

    Anyone who’s lived in the city for ONE day would realise what a load of BS this proposition is.

    Pehle give the ppl clean runnin water, continous electricity & healthcare. Then talk about “Once in a lifetime vacationing oppertunities”. (


  5. pkhan (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 6:02 am

    Pirated CD for Rs30.00 what a shame but talk is big. Just due to your kind of people city or country did not progress. You guys want people who are in villages born and die there. if new things are comming to Karachi then whats your problem? Go and see Dubai in last thirty years from a Badouin village to a Cosmopolitan?Are they moving your BEACHES? or will modernize them?SAHI BACHAO FROM THE PEOPLE WHO GO THERE AND LEAVE THERE DIRTY MESS THERE?Make a Volunteer force and clean the beaches Please>


  6. FARAZ (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 6:26 am

    What’s the context of this video? Is this supposed to be taken seriously? Seems like a total joke to me. How can anyone propose the construction of an entire city of this magnitude?The video takes away all credibility from the people proposing this project.


  7. MB (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 6:33 am


    On the morning of the 26th, Roland deSouza, chairperson of Shehri, appeared with more good news to lighten up the day. This time it was about the beaches of Karachi, or what remains of them. In April last year, five concerned citizens of the Defence Housing Authority approached the Sindh High Court (CP 403/05) seeking to save one section of the beach — the 13-acre Usmani Park, between Beach Avenue and the sea — from being converted into yet another blight on our lives, another gigantic shopping-cum-entertainment-cum-residential complex. Last January, Shehri too intervened with a petition of its own. It was brought to the court’s attention that if the DHA is allowed to get away with this ‘privatization’ of the public beach, it will have the adverse effect of encouraging other parties to attempt to exploit and privatise what other few open spaces, amenities and facilities are left for the people. Going overboard slightly, Roland even suggested that the polluted air we breathe may even be in danger.

    As the petition states, the sea shore conversion project is in violation of the Pakistan Environmental Protection Act 1997. If this ‘development’ is allowed, the increased commercialisation will add to the existing pollution. It will destroy any surviving marine micro-organisms and will result in the extinction or mass reduction of fish, turtles, and coastal birds, and in the general depletion of the sea-food industry.

    A Sindh government notification of May 1975 prohibits the leasing of land within the area of the ports or sea shore limits. The beaches around the DHA are within the limits of the Karachi Port Trust and the Port Qasim Authority.

    According to a DHA newsletter, the Authority has a grand plan to convert 14 kilometres of “virgin, unspoilt (sic) waterfront” into a $600 million series of playgrounds and leisure/pleasure spots to be known as the ‘DHA Waterfront Development Project’ which will provide to the rich and affluent of Karachi “the luxuries of an aristocratic life”. This extravaganza consists of seven zones with expensive commercial, entertainment, residential, commercial, hotel and office buildings, and includes the “reclamation of 74.5 acres of land, for a high-end Hotel Complex,” and “5-star hotels owning private segments of the beach,” and a “private beach with lagoon for hotel & residential blocks.”

    The citizens must have a very convincing case because the DHA has finally retained the professional services of two legal heavyweights — Makhdoom Ali Khan, the Attorney-General of Pakistan, and Anwar Mansoor Khan, the Advocate-General of Sindh, both acting in their private capacities — to prove the citizens wrong.

    After what we have suffered over the past month — and are still suffering the after-effects, can this city really cope with these gimmicky development schemes which only serve to line a few select pockets? Is there any infrastructure to bear further so-called ‘development’ projects? This city has 16 to 18 million inhabitants, nearly half of whom live in katchi abadis. It has serious problems with its water supply, sewerage systems, storm drainage, and electricity supply.

    With the completion of the K-III water scheme, the Indus river supply exceeds 550 million gallons per day (MGD = 1,000,000 GD) with a further 100MGD coming from the Hub dam. With 650MGD, Karachi’s inhabitants have 35-40 gallons available per head per day, a figure that is adequate in our context. Yet water is not getting to all the people. The Karachi Water and Sewerage Board’s contention that there is a 30 per cent (180MGD) leakage seems exaggerated. The main reasons are theft, in equitable distribution, and the absence of the writ of the government — anarchy and no Law and Order, which is the responsibility of a government.

    Of the 450MGD untreated sewage that flows into the gutters, approximately 100MGD is treated in three poorly operating sewage-treatment plants. So, 350MGD of untreated effluent flows into the Arabian Sea and into the creeks around Karachi. This amount would fill some 40 super-tanker ships of 50,000-tonne capacity each on a daily basis. Do we qualify even as a second world country?

    The surface drainage of this city died with the recent rains — about three inches only. Unplanned urbanisation, ad hoc construction, the closure of natural nallahs and drains with illegal buildings will make this a recurring problem. The administration has combined the sewerage and storm drainage systems, but takes no steps to clean the drains before the monsoons.

    The recently privatized KESC has inherited an overloaded and dilapidated generation, transmission and distribution network, with a demand load of about 2000MW, from which about 20 per cent of the available electricity is stolen. The system collapsed at its weakest points during the downpour, leaving many residential, commercial and industrial areas without power for days on end. Many persons were electrocuted by fallen wires during the rain.

    A well thought-out proactive, not reactive, methodology is required to address the issues of the critical utilities in this city — not the expropriation of whatever spaces are left open and massive commercialization and ‘development’ relying on the present totally inadequate infrastructure. Whoever it be who has this city at his mercy needs to get his priorities lined up in the right direction. ”

    FROM “No alternative but to soldier on”
    http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20060827.htm


  8. JayJay (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 6:54 am

    An impressive project to regenerate an otherwise dying city. I am all for it.

    The opposition to the proposed development, as usual, only seems to be coming from latte-sipping bleeding hearts from the upper middle classes. Think about the employment opportunities it will bring to the unemployed, among other things.

    The proposed development is not different from what has already successfully done on the foreshores of Sydney, Hong Kong, Dubai, besides many other cities.

    PS: The use of red colour in the post was unwarranted.


  9. Fawad Niazi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 7:41 am

    Totally agreed with JAYJAY.


  10. darthvader (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 7:59 am

    excellent post doc. very informative and alarming.

    thanks
    DV


  11. softjoint (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 9:18 am

    Stop trying to bad mouth every project in Karachi or move to a different city if you don’t like it here.


  12. MB (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 10:20 am

    Dont worry doc. If there had been any one with any technical point against what you or those opposing these projects are saying they would have said it by now.

    But instead , they have just few repeated comments everywhere.. stop this , stop that bla bla . . ..

    The only one technical reason they could come up with is about Investment/JOB. What they forget is the negative impact simply outweighs few (read just few ) positives they can come up with.

    If throwing money would mean progress, ARAB countries would be the superpowers in the world right now & not the WEST. The west spends money considering all technical points , the pros & the cons & not just because someone wants our all beaches to throw billions on us.

    The seikh’s couldnot even repair a nulka at their homes what to talk of their abilities. For all the minor & major work they have hired other nationalities. GOD is great that they are blessed with OIL.

    Instead of using it for the whole UMMAH they have nothing better to do but to build plaza, shopping malls etc. And yeah, i forgot their spiritual side business of building some mosques to please ALLAH.

    If they are so much worried about their brother PAKISTANI (read KARACHIITES) why they don’t invest in KCR ?

    Investment is definitely a big boost to any economy but look at the priorities. Shopping mall & Plaza’s are not our requirement.

    As for the lame excuse of jobs, well, can anyone come up with number of professional jobs it will create ?. The only thing good it can do is fill few thousand mazduur’s pait with few years of roti & then again you will require another project to keep them alive.

    Thats not the solution. There are other important sectors which if paid attention will change the city forever.

    The WEST has also a habit of listening to news papers, thinkers, the architects in environment related issues or projects but why the heck ours are in state of denial. And if they have a point why just they don’t share it.


  13. Bozz (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 10:41 am

    TM – Thank you for the article!


  14. Faraz (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 10:50 am

    MB, I gotta disagree with you on a few points. Something of this magnitude can create more than just a few thousand jobs and for decades. And not just mazduur jobs. I am all for foreign investment. What can be better to boost the economy? If the “Sheikhs” don’t want to invest in our basic infrastructure, we’ll still take whatever we can get. This isn’t about what they can do for the Ummah, or how pious they are.

    Having said that, the video is laughable. Is that all part of the proposal? Or just a hypothetical vision of what this new city might look like in 50-100 years?


  15. MB (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 11:42 am

    Thats what i am asking. What is/are that/those other things.

    As for video, i like it. Yes you can debate the idea behind, but video itself is good.

    The Sheikh example was to point out that why we are selling our land to them just because they have money & are willing to invest ?.

    Apart from other reasons, the long costal/sea border is a great asset in strategic terms as well. Why not sell it to Chinese who will invest in more important sectors.

    In any case of border related issues the gov. of China will act as a shield for us.

    Did any of you read the DAILY UMMAT artile on why the heck the Sheikhs want to take away our coastal area ( even Gawadar ). Its not just a case of one investment.

    The USA gov decided to cancel the selling of its own port to these Sheikhs because of public pressure even though they had progressed enough on the deal. Why ?

    We feel so good copying their attitudes. Why not their attitude of discussion. Considering public opinion. Having a through debate, listening to what Arif Hassan says, what URC says.

    There is ready enough material against these projects in papers but i have yet to find any authentic document supporting these even from its advocates.

    But again, if one has to follow attitude of denial, all logics fall flat.


  16. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 11:42 am

    Gj MB, couldnt have said it better.

    All the desenters, Did you even WATCH the video? or read any of what was said?

    Or are u deaf to compliment that dumb?

    “All investment is good investment”, if thats your plan than build a Casino.

    That will generate 1000% more revenue than this whole project would ever get.

    Give the ppl basic necesseties & then talk about “Once in a life-time Vacationing oppertunities” / “Mega-Project” Or a “Master Plan”.


  17. cheeky (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 12:05 pm

    the video look like some students ppt project, i doubt its the real thing.

    there’s no point in bad-mouthing another country and complaining. if the people of karchi are not happy and having issues with this project, then they should protest and let the governemtn know what they really think, so that the gov. responds. noone is forcing anything down anyone’s throat. last time i checked pakistan was a democracy, right?! you can always so no.

    many months ago Dubai Ports World had proposed a multi-billion dollar proposal to the US, wanting to have major shares in some of its important ports. they had already spent alot of money, and the initial agreements were already through. however, the people of the US werent very happy with the deal, knowing that some foreign (arab!) state would be occupying their property and threatning thier security, so they protested and made themselves heard. the government responded and the whole deal was cancelled. simple!

    it all comes down to what the priority of the government is. deal with it.


  18. Bozz (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 12:31 pm

    Sunday, April 15th, 5 pm

    Sahil Bachao!!

    Take back the beach from real estate profiteers
    Join us for a Protest at Clifton Beach

    (Meet at the Parking Lot of McDonalds) Clifton Beach


  19. Bozz (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 12:40 pm

    Forgot to add that we are supposed to “Wear blue” for the above occasion.


  20. ELIZAMANTIN (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    What better place than McDonald’s as the meeting point for the protest! Burger-eating, chips-munching protestors, with a complete uniform to go with for the picnic, oops, protest.


  21. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

    @ ELIZAMANTIN: HAHAHA. They rnt picnicing, they are Multi-tasking! :P.


  22. Truth (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 5:45 pm

    no doubt! the master planning as shown in th proposal looks interesting and exciting. but i would say give it another —-hmmm 3-4 decades and in the mean time fix the basic problems (as pointed out above) – imrpove the social infrastructure than think about representing pakistan in the world with its 1947 ft tower.

    by the way, do we even have enough people with their pockets sufficiently filled to occupy all the flats in these exaggerated numbers of apartment builldings shown in the proposal? (or atleast half) – dont think so.. if i am right, than do we really need these buildings??


  23. Kashif-x (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    Some days back i went with my family to a spot near the Golf Club where you could take your car down along the beach for a spin in the sand and also park down on stroll along the beautifull beach.

    but to our astonishment and utter disgust, the whole area was cordoned off, and now is the property of EMAAR, the uae builder giant, encroached upon our beloved beach and now its offlimits.This really sucks,someone should kick the asses of the DHA highups for this undertble deal of encroaching land which is for the use of general public.

    Ok i also reside in pull ke is par, but i never mind my karachietes to come here and have a good time with their families, but i guess its all history now.


  24. shobz (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    boy this is depressing. all this for a quick buck and no regard for the environment.


  25. Anon (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    HELL YEAH! Its a great idea, hopefully backward thinking mullas and maulvi’s dont get in the way!


  26. Anonom. (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

    I agree, its a very good idea and it will bring prosperity to the city’s economy.


  27. verysmart (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 1:53 am

    Sahil Bachaoo movement = create hurdles, do deals, make money movement.

    Is it our destiny to drool over pictures of sydney harbour bay, HongKong skyline and newyork dazzling skyscraper? and toleave our own cities in the shambles which they are in currently?

    Is it our destiny to live in a city which has been denied the way forward by a handful of oppurtunist citizens whio are looking to “preserve” the city?

    and really, what are we planning to preserve? what do we have to preserve? some stupid shrubs? some underground wildlife? some idiotic villagers whose children are already dying of cholera, yellow fever, dengue and what not. What chances does this kid hav in life even if he grows up fighting all this deep shit in his sad little life?

    If this is what this project is going to erase, I am all up for it.

    Arent these the same voices who were shouting to ditch the Lyari expressway, so that the scores of shitheads can contniue to live in the shitholes and learn to become decoits and drug runners?

    Really ask yourself once more, what are we tryin to preserve?


  28. MB (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 2:03 am

    “it will bring prosperity to the city’s economy ”
    Like how ?
    Enlighten us someone

    But do read previous comments before repeating the same old investment/job thingy. Enough has been said here & in previous posts about how little weight this point has.


  29. Anon (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 3:24 am

    In brief, development creates jobs, jobs = people off the streets and busy with work, employment = $$$, additional income = additional spend and improvment in quality of life, better quality of life = keep away from streets, encourage education, increase in desire to achieve more.

    Before a person picks up a book or goes to school, the household must have the means to survive, keep their stomachs half full at least. Having additional jobs allows for just that. This has never happened in karachi before, we all know the booming media and advertising industry has brought over 200,000 jobs in the last 3 year alone. A good economy is the base for a prosperous city/country/nation. Education is not.

    Our city has a >15M population, we need more jobs. The basic infrastructure needs improvment to cater to this huge city, it will come with the investment. You need to give this another 10 years or more. Our country is still VERY young and this is the best time Karachi has ever seen. It is very easy to find flaws in any new idea, that is not the receipe to move forward. Change is the only way.


  30. MB (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 4:42 am

    “A good economy is the base for a prosperous city/country/nation. Education is not. ”

    How will you bring good economy without education ?
    And how you can prosper only with good economy without education ? ( Refer to my Sheikh example, who have money & so called economy but no skill )
    Also refer to Pervez Hoodbhoy’s articles on why education outweighs any other requirement in any country.
    http://www.chowk.com/show_writer_page.cgi?pen_name=Pervez%20Hoodbhoy

    Also, Is it not that education brings good economy & not vice versa. Education should be the basics when you use the word “The basic infrastructure”. Look at Germany & Sweden or Japan.


  31. FARAZ (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 5:28 am

    MB, I think you are underestimating the significance of a better economy with more jobs and higher wages. May be poor parents won’t have to force their kids to work if they could survive without the extra bucks kids bring home? And may be the kids would start going to schools more? Yes, granted we don’t have a fantastic educational system. It needs an overhaul probably. But how do you improve the educational system without the resources to do so? Also think about lower crime rates if people actually had jobs and not forced to earn a living by improper means.

    Correct me if I am worng, but the only reasons you are against the proposal is that it would ruin our beaches and endanger the turtles. I am probably going to be blasted for saying this, but are those really our priorities right now? Today we are in no position to care for our environment when we can’t even care for our citizens. We will slowly waste our natural assets anyway if we keep continuing like today. As ANON said, we need a change.

    P.S. I still the think the video is unrealistic and misleading.


  32. Anon (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 10:41 am

    MB, good point about “And how you can prosper only with good economy without education ? ” however, I give you the example of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Rich Branson and at least a dozen others that are either highschool drop outs and never finished college. These people are responsible for over half a million jobs, creating mirco-economies (look at the size of their companies) and not needing a whole lot of education. Education is important, however a strong economy comes first.

    If you have a good economy, you can fullfill basic needs. Once they are fulfilled, education naturally flows through. I am all for education, if we have a strong economy first, we can promote and educate better.

    Maybe a silly example but when you get on a plane and the pressure drops, they ask you to put your mask on first before you assist anyone else; first build the economy, stabalize and stabalize others.

    I think the video is a little too far fetched, it is possible but maybe in the next 10-15 years. We need a change.


  33. MB (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 12:04 pm

    @Faraz
    I guess your first para is very strong & i don’t see why i should object to its logic without any reason.

    Now i put a question in front of you & would like to tell me what you make out of it.

    The paan walas/dukandars/theiley walas (in posh areas) in Karachi earn more than engineers & doctors. Because they can do away with education why they will be convinced on sending their kids to schools & not to some economy generated opportunity?

    That is my first question & to support it I present a previous example I quoted on a previous occasion. I would like you to tell me what you think on it too.
    From
    http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2007/02/why_protest_aga.phtml
    (10th comment)

    ” Why I should send my children to school when I have to pay RS. 500-1000 in fee. I have got 4 kids so I have to pay few thousand in fee, multiplied by 10 years + college fee + university fee which would again be minimum ( around 1 – 6 lack ). In the end you come up with a figure well over 2 million. And even after doing that I have to offer bribe to get my children a job. Why not I invest these millions on a hotel, paan shop or restaurant & make billions in 16-18 years of my children’s education. These are not my words; these are the words of a pathan bhai whom I met at Bath Island last year. I was amazed that he was opposing eduction. Ponder deeply on what he said & you would find a bitter but ignored reality. And mind you he was a well off guy; forget the poverty stricken 40 percent population.

    So you see providing money (economy) doesn’t guarantee progress. But providing education does.

    @ANON
    You gave a good example of Bill Gates etc. Don’t you think its one variable in the equation. The other variables in whole equation are the opportunity provided by countries which enabled them to reach at the top. Do you honestly believe even an Einstein can make it to the top (with some exceptions) here in given circumstances?. Can you name few CEO’s in Pakistan who excelled like Bill Gates did? Can you name a company that took off like Microsoft did? We have been given trillions by WEST till now but why it could never make any change on the ground?

    Your example about MASK proves my point too, if you look at it from other angle. In my opinion education is the mask we cannot live with. A man who is educated will survive in any condition anywhere in the world but if you give a man few billion rupees, even then you cannot say you sure he will survive because human intellect is independent of time & space.

    A far-cousin came to my dad with 30 lack rupees, in cash, in 1970. Can you believe it ? “In cash”. My dad advised him on its usage but he never followed. Today that guy is on the streets ( and has developed some mental illness too ). You can witness these stories around you easily.

    Hope you got the point. I firmly believe that investment is a great assets but my objection is on priority. If we could have mere 10% of in education, health & basic infrastructure of what the WEST has, believe me I would be the first one to come forward and advocate such ideas.

    Please forgive me for my lengthy comments.


  34. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

    Faraz, Anon, you guys make good points.

    Money invested in Pakistan is good, if it be so at the expense of the Enviorment, sure. Ppl come first right?

    But as me and MB have been ranting, Look @ the companies proposal.

    Are they putting up industries?

    Are they investing in the exsisting infrastructure?

    Are they offering to mechanise the farming? Or would they be willing to provide cold storage plants to the current farmers, making sure that 75% + of their produce doesnt rott before it reaches the markets?

    NO!.

    What they wanna do is build apartments & condo’s and hotels.

    This “Might” work in the UAE because ppl have money there.

    Paki’s dont.

    UAE has a condusive enviorment for businesses,the gov makes sure there is a stable economy by providing incetives, security, healthcare, education etc etc—basically what an average human craves for.

    Paki’s dont even have clean water to drink (Whatever the class).

    & MB, abt that person not investing properly.

    A) Bechare ki kismat.

    B) Jab tak koi harampai na karo is mulk mein, one does not make money.


  35. Anon (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

    Hey Faraz/MB: there are a ton of self made millionaires in Karachi that did not receive a high level of education. These mostly are in the manufacturing industries that own large factories today. They are the ones that send there sons abroad to study and get a better education. If you look at the owners of Raju and Balooch Icecream, the Student Biriyani folks and countless others that literally started from scratch. My uncles cook that worked for 12 years, he managed to save enough money to open up a little paratha/jaleebe shop, their chaufer was able to save enough to buy a couple of trucks that run a transportation route, today he owns 17 of those and has made his way from poverty to the middle class. His children go to private scohols.

    There are dozens of other examples, i still think free market capitalism and a strong economy is the basis that can provide a good infrastructure for education to flow through into society. We must educate children, no doubt about it. The economy must be strong enough first for them to be able to use the education and find a job.

    Obviously India is a different story, they have more muslims in India than in pakistan. They are the second highest populated country as well. Last year alone India rose 12 BILLIONAIRES; all this prosperity comes from what? A strong economy that allowed education so, first the economy must be strong and education will naturally follow through.


  36. wasiq (unregistered) on April 14th, 2007 @ 2:56 am

    @Red_munk!!…..dude i don’t think you have the faintest idea how it is done but since you are on the roll these days you felt like it is your duty to butt in….
    for your kind information i net on a computer not a playstation….i never use a CD and i cannot use a pirated CD because my system is scanned every half an hour by the ms when i am on the net….looking for the trojans….plus i suspect that the FBI also checks it randomly atleast once a month for intrusions and misdemeanors….and last but not the least the local rookies who have better access and are the smartest of them all use a USB device once a year before re-booting so that they don’t have to go through the same files again and again…..and ironically all this invasion of privacy is done in my favor…lucky me..!!


  37. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 14th, 2007 @ 11:33 am

    No i really dont know jack about HTML, but im pretty sure MB uses MS Word.

    I dunno where u work, but sounds pretty Anal.

    & if ure so worried about getting busted for piracy, use “Open Office” or for basic formatting “MS WORD PAD” (comes free with every copy of windows) would also suffice.

    Oh and a lil FYI, a company cannot prosecute you for using pirated sw unless the copyright holder presses them.
    And not all pirated sw has trojans, popular hacks just ‘break’ the keys and stop the copy from connecting to the publishers servers and validating itself. The worst that happens is that the sw keeps bugging you to validate/register.


  38. wasiq (unregistered) on April 15th, 2007 @ 1:36 am

    BOING !



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