Dunda-bardaar shariat VS Dunda-bardaar Siyasath

March 15, 2007 around 50 to 60 thousand people took to the streets of Karachi to protest against dunda-bardaar shariat. Good work indeed. I wished it to be more. The president also wants his-definition-of secular forces to win next elections. Politically he meant PPP, MQM, and ANP etc. But if he really means it, he will have to import some 20 million people from outside Pakistan to cast vote because on the ground there is not a single moderate/liberal (forget secular) party right now. 90%, including all major parties are extremists by design by actions or by faith. In simple words no moderate force is present in current political setup (the awaam being out of the setup completely).

Its interesting that if the religious conservatives are called intolerant than the social extremist are no less different. Is it now just a matter of who is lesser an extremist/less intolerant. MMA & MQM surely disqualify this status in first round. DAWN NEWS showed ruling supporters walking on slogan “Imran Kutta hai“. Those who wrote this on road, do they know what posture they were when writing it? (Nature has his own ways of humiliating people).

Angered at finding no reply to previous comments, a gov. supporter wrote this comment in previous post: “You people want a prophet to free you from your slavery in Karachi?”. No sir, if he could be just 5-10% of Sir Syed’s honesty & Quaid’s leadership we would raise him to sky. Forget the philosophical & great thinker Iqbal. Current leadership is not even worth his dust. Their clones come once in many hundred years.

Though “chacha” by history isn’t a good person morally. He does save his party from mistakes. Is there any Chacha left in ruling party who can advise it sensibly?

79 Comments so far

  1. Khakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:21 pm

    Hello friends the truth is out”Billi thailai sai Bahar Aagai” IMran has said that hehas gathered all info against mqm from Naseer-ullah-babar(The Butcher,mat allah give him hell in life and keep space for him in HELL >>AAMEEN) and Haqiqi (Ghaddars of Mohajir nation):
    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2007-daily/28-05-2007/update.htm#26
    So now we all know who is running the show. Imran is so stupid to revealed his sources..He got no place in politics.As they say you would not only be punished in hell for your sins but also would pay the price in your life.He will have to pay the price for all his sin
    So now we all know who is running the show. Imran is so stupid to revealed his sources..He got no place in politics.As they say you would not only be punished in hell for your sins but also would pay the price in your life.He will have to pay the price for all his sin


  2. AJ (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

    Khakan:
    There is nothing wrong with gathering infromation from Naseerullah Babar. He was entrusted with the job of stopping these thugs from committing mass murders and since they operate like an armed militia than a political organisation, there were bound to be losses on both sides. Second, any one who does not agree with Altaf Dakoo is not a traitor of Mahajir nation. I hope you will grow up one day and regret the days when you syampathised with a fascist organisation.


  3. Khakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:45 pm

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=i738xX7vyeA

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VKZLHidiIBk&mode=related&search=

    Plz Watch the above two videos with open mind and decide yourself. forget the issue with mqm lets just talk about his personality. On one hand when he is asked about SITA WHITE, he does not deny and give the straight answer rather says that “islam mai doosroun kai gunhaou pai parda dalnai ko kaha hai” and bashes media for running thie campaign to sell thier news and also says it clearly that MUSLIM LEAGUE AND PPP IS BEHIND THIS.


  4. Khakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:47 pm

    Missing parts from above comments:

    Well my firends as I said that this is the dirty politics and all these politicians can do anything to get in the power. THE MULLAHS aginst “AURAT KI HUKUMRANI” now visting peoples scretreat. PPP and Muslim league rivals of one time now meeting in London and shaking hands. Imran Khan a playboy sitting with MUlVIS and shaking hands. Sindhi Qoum Parasts and terrrist (QADIR MAGSI.


  5. Khakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

    @AJ
    well my firned I dont know who you are and where you from but your comments do tell that you have no interest in Karachi’s peace and betterment. Sayind Naseer Ullah Babar did right is saying police should kill whoever they think is doing wrong so get rid off all the Adalat and Thanas and lets create a dead squad who should get orders from BUTCHER LIKE NASEER BABAR. YOu are out of your mind(if have any)on the one hand you all mqm haters supprting CJ for ADLIYA KI AZAADI and other hand supporting Naseer Babar…YOu know what you can go to hell with Naseer Babar and have a nice life..
    THEY TRIED TO REMOVE MQM IN 80s, and in 90s, and in ealry 2000, so let them try again because it aint going to happen no matter who tries it and who does it..MQM is the reality and will always be there..IF YOU WANNA LIVE IN YOUR DREAMS THEN KEEP LIVING MAN Dreams are FREEE..If you think that 10 may be 20 mqm haters in this blog represent the Karachi then WAKE UPPPPPPPP and smell the coffee or tea or whatever you drink.


  6. BitterTruth (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

    look who is talking about dirty politics :D…what would you call killings my friend? Is it a bigger sin than Zana? Sindhi qoum parast are terrorist then why MQM has an alliance with JASQAM? The fact is people like you will never be convinced untill you yourself bear what MQM does to others.
    If you have a bit of conscience left in your body, and u feel MQM is right, please pray with me that it happens to you as well. Have the courage to pray?


  7. KHakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    @BitterTruth
    I can only either laugh at you or feel bad about you.So I am gonna think about these two options because you are helpless and hopeless.I was not talking about all sindhi qoum parasts i was just quoting Qadir magsi and Paleejo and MQM never had an alliance with these guys. MAY BE I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO CALLED QOUM PARAST(MY MISTAKE)..Its not in my blodd to curse you for bad thing because I did not get that education..but I did learn few stuff when I was in college with some of your brothers so here we go YOU CAN KISS…Nah I am not gonna say that because I just cant curse….Well my firends why dont you take the next CHANAP EXPRESS AND GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM, because when it comes to the Eid season and you all try to go back, it gets crowded so just go back now and save yourself some trouble…..


  8. AJ (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    To Ali Nawaz Memon
    Thank you very much sir for your very insightful, simple yet so sincere words. We all have a tendency to get swept away by our own prejudices and political leanings and forget very easily that simple things in life mean so much more than prevailing upon our ‘adversaries’. Pakistan has got a long way to go towards achieving the goal of a good life for all our citizens but we can start with small targets such as security and justice. It won’t be easy and it will take some time but a start has to be made. I would urge you to contribute on this forum from time to time, a calming influence like yours is what we all require in the midst of all these ‘only I am right’ debates


  9. Hope (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:14 pm

    I do agree with Khakan. All these politicians are hungry for Power and thats why they get togather when they lose thier power and then separate from each other when it is dangerous to their power. they are all same. thanks for showing the world the real face of IMRAN. I am punjabi but my heart is with Karachi. I have seen all this in Punjab and trust me ppl are so tired of them and looking for other alternatives.


  10. CITIZENOFKHI (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:31 pm

    Well Khakan eventhough I dont agree with you most of the time, but you did raise a good point here and after watching these two vidoes I am thinking all of them are same. I thought Imran would be different but man looks like he is in the game too..


  11. AJ (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:34 pm

    Khakan:
    Chenab express, yeah? Its obvious you are taking a dig at Punjabis, I bet you hate all Punjabis, Chopayas as you MQM-wallahs call them. You asked me where I was from, if I said I was from Lahore you would have let loose a tirade of insults directed at Punjabis. If I said I was a Pathan, you would have reminded me I was just barely human. If I said I was a Sindhi, you would have chosen from a wide choice of swear words MQM has for Sindhis. I would urge you to read history, not only from Pakistan and India but history of other regions as well. Race and hatred of races has led to millions of deaths throughout the centuries. We are now in an era where civilised nations are trying to rid themselves of this evil. It still goes on though, but people have to learn, in Pakistan as well as other places. I firmly believe that there are good Punjabis and bad Punjabus, good Pathans and bad Pathans, good Sindhis and bad Sindhis, good Muhajirs and bad Muhajirs. I do not choose my friends because they are Muhajirs, Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans. I choose them if I like them and if they appeal to me as good human beings. You and your MQM sympathisers are good people too, I am sure of that. I think you have been misguided, just as Hitler misguided his people into believing all Jews had to be killed. Just as the murdering squads were misguided into believing that Muslims migrating from India in 1947 had to be killed and raped on their way to Pakistan. There have been injustices against people of all creeds, by feudals, by the ruling elite, by greedy factory owners, by power-addicted generals, by people claiming to have the ‘thaika’ to interpret and impose religion. Believe me, there are suppressed people in every part of the country. Please do not try to bully any one on this forum by asking them where they come from and asking them to go ride a train. Remember, our ancestors came here on a train too.


  12. Khakan (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

    @AJ
    first of all I was talking to bittertruth not you so unless you are the same person posting with different names I dont see the reason why you got burned..Second, I never said anything about Punjabis so here is another problem with yo guys making false assumptions about things..SO read it carefully. I did say take the chanap express because i was refering to the ppl who come to Karachi just to make money but have no interest in the development of the city. I do respect all Punjabis, Pathans,Balooch,Sindhis, Sarayiki, who work and live in Karachi and from Karachi and will be burried here in Karachi when they die..Our ancestor did come here on the train but they came and stayed here and never thought this place as a money making machine, they made this place a home and did whatever they could for the betterment of the city and the country. SO YEAH I AM AGAINST THOSE WHO JUST THINK KARACHI IS DUBAI, and come to wreck this place with stealing electriccity,water, and other resources and dont pay any taxes.


  13. BitterTruth (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:00 pm

    @Khakan
    If you think I am a Punjabi or belong to any other ethnic group you are wrong. I am a Mahajir if you mean urdu speaking people whose parents had came from India. now being a mahajir would you now suggest me and all other Urdu Speakers living in khi to take the train and go back to India? huh?

    Enough politics on ethnic hatred spread by you and your Don of London. For others, I would like to clarify that these supporters of thugs and murderers do not represent us (Urdu Speakers of Khi).

    Khakan and accomplice have no rational arguments thats why they deviate discussion to ethnicity. First ask your Don to change back its name to Mahajir Qoumi Movement if you hate so much other ethnic groups.


  14. original-faisal (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:00 pm

    Do read the following article…

    Britain to investigate finances and terrorism of Altaf Hussain?

    Dr Shahid Qureshi

    Anwar Dholan is a Punjabi lawyer who received direct threat to murder from Altaf Husssain in a gathering of hundreds including Baluch leader Akthar Mengal. Anawar Dohlan protested against the derogatory comments about all the Punjabis. He challenged Altaf Hussain that, ‘you cannot insult all the Punjabis’. In response Altaf Hussain asked the crowd something like, ‘had he dared to object me like this in Karachi, what would have happened to him and the crowd shouted, he ‘would have been murdered’? Famous journalist and professor of journalism Badar Somoro in Sindh University, and Anwar Dholan attended Acton Town Police Station in London. To their surprise the police told them they were already aware with the comments and incident. The efficient London police must have sent an Urdu speaking officer. The US State Department reported on MQM in February 2000 that, “The Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM), an opposition party that has demonstrated a willingness to use violence to further its objectives” The report further said, “It soon became an organization with criminal elements, which generated income through extortion and other forms of racketeering”.

    The US State Department report stressed that, “The MQM-Altaf, in part because of its efficient organization and willingness to use violence and intimidation to achieve its goals, became the dominant political party in the Sindh urban centres of Karachi and Hyderabad.

    The MQM, despite a number of moderate and non-violent leaders now in the Senate, National Assembly, and Sindh Provincial Assembly, has not been able to separate itself from its violent past.” The Sunday Times London also reported that, ‘he (Altaf Hussain) has been involved in terrorist acts and killings in Karachi’.

    During recent tension between India and Pakistan , only non-violent instruction issued by Altaf Hussain was according to Naveed Miraj of The Frontier Post, that ‘MQM had issued a memo to its workers to ‘Remain Neutral’ in case of war between Pakistan and India’?

    On 17th September 2000 Altaf Hussain, made his historic comment: “The partition of India was the biggest blunder of mankind”. Which seems to be continuation of his earlier comment on September 10, 1994, Altaf Hussain stated, “Mohajirs want their geographical boundaries to be determined” (Qaumi Akhbar). The MQM has been allegedly involved in systematic targeted killings of more than 650 Karachi police officers mainly those who took part in Benzair Bhutto period ‘Karachi Operation’. MQM deliberately chose interior ministry of Sindh to monitor police and intelligence agencies. They have reportedly issued weapons licenses to their supporters. Altaf Hussain is running MQM more like Mafia and a mercenary force than a political party. Individual loyalties are the key to success. MQM members who were driving Honda 50cc motorbikes now they have become millionaires and billionaires, so what more evidence of extortion and corruption is required? A group of 37 MQM MNAs and MPAs was dispatched to Lahore Press Club to read before the journalists a written oath of allegiance repeatedly referred to the “blind faith” of individual members in the leadership of Altaf Hussain.

    The press conference was held on July 25, 1991 , a day after the Lahore High Court ordered the release of Afaq Ahmad and others. The press conference went on for two and a half hours, and during this time a telephone was available to Altaf Hussain in Abbasi Shaheed Hospital to hear the proceedings live. All the 37 members individually read their oaths before the newsmen. Dr Farooq Sattar said, “If I commit treachery against the Qaid, I will have denied my paternity”. Wasim Ahmad said, “If I go against the Qaid. I may not be of my mother,” reported daily Nawa-I-Waqt Lahore, July 26, 1991. When the Journalists objected that they could not sit through the statements, which were more or less alike, some MQM members retorted by saying, “once we get a foothold in Lahore, then you will sit and listen, like they do in Karachi”. This led to a number of journalists walking out of the press conference in protest. On 28th January 2000, ‘the new offices, complete with the latest computer technology, have been built into the existing headquarters in north London. The refurbished premises, which cost thousands of dollars, were formally opened by the UK opposition’s spokesperson on foreign affairs, Cheryl Gillian MP. However, Ms Cheryl Gillian MP (Member of Parliament) said that in her view the MQM was a party of peace. “Politicians must be able to talk to other politicians about other issues. The MQM politicians in this country have always been approachable and have always kept us informed,” she told the BBC. While talking to Edgware Times, Altaf Hussain explained his plight: “It is never easy running a movement. One has to sacrifice many things — Jesus Christ sacrificed for his people.” Altaf Hussain’s supporters in Karachi increased by 10 million in just two years because he claimed to have 20 million supporters in an interview with the Edgware Times in November 1998. But in 2001, MQM claimed to have 30 million supporters when the MQM London office sent a fax to ‘Reuters’ on 22nd September 2001.

    Altaf Hussain said to Edgware Times “It is my wish that they (Government of Pakistan) take me to trial in a British court, then I will tell people nationally and internationally what has been happening in Pakistan.” Altaf Hussain’s wishes may be fulfilled first, by starting the investigation into the funding sources of International Secretariat by the Serious Fraud Office and Metropolitan Police. A full criminal investigation into the alleged money laundering by MQM is needed in the United Kingdom, South Africa, United States, Canada and Dubai because his supporters have been caught with bags full money at the Heathrow Airport’ according to Qaim Ali Shah former Chief Minister of Sind on ARY TV Channel.

    He may be charged with exporting terrorism and provocation to murder, criminal damage subject to evidence under Britain’s existing Terrorism Laws. Since 12th May 2007 terrorist atrocities, 40+ innocent killings, 150 injured and damage to property in Karachi, Altaf Hussain has become a threat to security of British interests and his presence in the United Kingdom seems to be ‘not conducive to public good’.


  15. BitterTruth (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:05 pm

    @Original-Faisal
    Thanks for sharing.Please also quote the source.


  16. AJ (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:08 pm

    So Khakan. These people, as you call them,come to Karachi cuz the think it is Dubai. So what? Rural to urban migration is a global phenomeon, people ome here to make a better living.That gives u no right to look down upon them. You don’t own the city. They don’t pay taxes? Well who are ‘they’ and what are your sources for saying that. As far as I know, there re people from all spheres in life in Pakistan who are tax defaulters, all ethnic groups and all trades. Soe do andsoem don’t but in general, poor people don’t pay at all because thet don’t have any money to tart with. Your attitude reminds me of racist groups in the UK where I have lived. Go onto the racist BNP web site, an extreme anti-immigration group. Their language is exactlythe same as yours, they blame everything on ‘these foriegners who came to our country’. Ane remember, your leader is one such person wo immmigrated to UK. So basically, he has done exactly what you blame ‘these people’ of doing


  17. CitizenofKhi (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

    Guys you all know that I have no personal grudge against mqm, but they are terrorist, they are killer they dont have any sympathy for others, thats why I hate them.

    This guy I dont know who is he, he is continuously using my nick, in his comments initially he says that he dont like mqm so that you guys think that its me the real citizenofKhi but then he says something good about them, Even he has use “AltafKutta” as a nickname to fool around ppl here, but if you guys ever see any of my comments which says even a small good thing about mqm you should understand right away that its not me, and he is playing with you guys.

    I think its Khakan, as this guy praises Khakan using my comments, whoever he is, he is a big stupid fellow, I dont know why he is using my nick.


  18. original-faisal (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 7:23 pm

    Dr Shahid Qureshi is an award winning senior investigative journalist and writer on international terrorism, security, and foreign policy based in London, E-Mail: ukcorrespondent@hotmail.com


  19. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 10:13 pm

    @MAKKAH: IT’S NOT MECCA IT’S MAKKAH .


  20. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 10:25 pm

    This is getting boring now. Most of the authors post OPINIATED stories. That should not be the case!


  21. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

    coz of these bloody terrorist i was stuck in traffic for almost 5.5 hours.. ignorant supporters MQM care less about karachiites and more about that grand terrorist & murderer Altaf bai


  22. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 11:22 pm

    terrorist leadership of MQM and their ignorant supporters think that using filthy and abusive language against Imran would make MQM more popular.. these flithy terrorists have a habit of doing dirty politics and yet again they’re showing off their true colors..


  23. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 11:25 pm

    every one knows that Altaf Bai beats his wife, is not at talking terms with his in laws and openly gives death threats to his father in law… every one knows that he killed his own brother and nephew who were openly vocal against him… but other parties don’t use flithy language against Altaf and don’t discuss his personal life.. its only he and his retared terrorist party that uses flithy abusive language against others…


  24. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 28th, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

    *retarded


  25. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on May 29th, 2007 @ 1:27 am

    did you guys hear latest news? Altaf bhai ordered all mqm workers to erase all wall chalking they did against Imran. The city nazim in return ordered all local Nazims to perform this exercise immediately and erase all thing within 8 hours

    Isey kahte hain Thook kar chaatna :-)


  26. CitizenofKhi (unregistered) on May 29th, 2007 @ 1:46 am

    Aray bhai, British ki citizenship kis ko aziz nahi hoti. He dont want to come back to Pakistan thats why he is showing this new attitude.


  27. asa (unregistered) on May 29th, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxGN8dMWJU

    Ab sarfroshi ke tamana abdil mein he …go imran go Karachites r with u


  28. Amira Rana (unregistered) on June 6th, 2007 @ 4:04 pm

    Imran Khan is our national hero.Any derogatory remarks against him will tease millions of his fans including MQM suppoters. So MQM should apologise, try to learn manners and behave like civilized and cultured people.Remember you are not living in state of nature.Dot forget “Chand Ka Thooka Moonh Per”
    aamria


  29. Amira Rana (unregistered) on June 6th, 2007 @ 4:05 pm

    Imran Khan is our national hero.Any derogatory remarks against him will tease millions of his fans including MQM suppoters. So MQM should apologise, try to learn manners and behave like civilized and cultured people.Remember you are not living in state of nature.Dot forget “Chand Ka Thooka Moonh Per”
    aamria



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