اداره تحفظ القران و مقدس اوراق

http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/07/disposing%20the%20verses%201-thumb.jpgA frequent reader who chooses to remain anonymous due to a potentially controversial issue has forwarded me these pictures and a brief story on his reaction at seeing this organization at work called “ÿßÿØÿßÿ±Ÿá ÿ™ÿ≠ŸÅÿ∏ ÿߟџÇÿ±ÿßŸÜ Ÿà ŸÖŸÇÿØÿ≥ ÿߟàÿ±ÿßŸÇ ” translated ‘Organization for the Protection of Quran and its Sacred Pages’

A few weeks backs, while driving down the devils point at Sea View and hunting for a nice spot to park my car and get down to take a stroll at the beach, I happened to go to the end of Sea View (near the Golf Club in Phase 8). I noticed a small crowd and trucks had gathered there.

Upon further inquiry I came to know that a religious organization was “dissolving” the sacred religious verses in the sea. Now that might be a good omen helping people away torn sacred verses, but the point at which this activity is being done, is right next to the sewerage creek (which runs along the Golf Club, through which a major portion of the city’s sewerage makes way to the sea).

Another consideration is that the versus will be washed back again into the feet of beachgoers as Sea View is one of the most crowded beach of Karachi.


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Is this the right way or place to discard the sacred religious verses on a public beach? Any reactions ……

Disclaimer: Due to the sensitive religious nature please be careful when making comments, moderation will be enforced on any comments which may deviate from the neutrality of the issue

19 Comments so far

  1. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 5:22 am

    I think they should burn the pages. Overall this is not a huge issue and can be dealt with in different ways but what they are doing here is not right. I think not!


  2. Alam (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 5:54 am

    Lets appoint Sir Salman Rushdie for disposing off the verses


  3. Sim (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 7:36 am

    Religious books should be discarded in the same way we discard other used paper — in the recycle bin. It’s the most socially conscious choice to make. Affording heavenly status to words printed on man made paper is not just childish, it’s just plain stupid.
    In a society riddled with poverty, crime and corruption we have far bigger things to worry about than this.


  4. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 7:54 am

    ALAM: Ha ha ha! At least he will have a job to do.


  5. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 9:22 am

    waste of time.Lemme get outta here.


  6. Kashif (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 9:54 am

    Moderating comments? eh?


  7. FARRUKH (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 11:38 am

    It should be recycled. But not the way we recycle other products. But rather, the pages or books should be kept in a separate bin and separately processed into new paper on which further Quranic Ayats can be printed.


  8. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 11:46 am

    I think that instead of ‘dissolving’ the verses into the sea, why can’t the same be done in, say, a large pool, at a recycling plant.

    The practice of dissolving Quranic verses in the sea stems from the period when the seas weren’t as polluted as nowadays, and they were not as crowded as our own beloved Sea View. Instead, they used to be very desolated places, hence, this idea of disposing came about.

    My two cents…….


  9. IUnknown (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 12:16 pm

    arsalan is rite.. there must be a recycling plant infact there is a recycling plant but i have forgot where is it and wats is its name


  10. saad ibrahim lakhany (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

    well its a good thing to put these papers in the sea but its not right to put them at the beach they should put it in middle of the sea like from the bridge near kpt


  11. Gridlock (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

    This is a new discovery of an old and existing practice and has been dealt with in the past. The correct or more acceptable method of disposing of torn and worn out pages of Holy Scripture at sea is to dispose them as far out in the ocean as possible. This will ensure complete dissolving and disintegration of the paper due to wave action and also due to longer immersion and contact with the sea water. The easiest method of deep sea disposal is to give these pages to the operators/ employees of the fishing and recreational boaters who are either at the boat basin or at other easily accessible places and they will dispose these pages when they are out in the deeper ocean. They will perform this service without any charge. (Or at least they used to). Even if someone asks for small fee it should not be an issue as it is an obligation on the disposer to ensure proper disposal of these pages to the best of their ability and the respect they deserve.

    Few small general comments:
    • I think they should burn the pages

    Please check with the religious scholars as far as my limited knowledge is concerned burning of “Holy Quran” is NOT allowed for this purpose. This may be acceptable for other religious books which do not have quotes from Quran. What the commentator may “think” in this matter is irrelevant as it is an issue which has already been dealt with in our religion. How ever I do not wish any negative towards the reader.

    ‚Ä¢ “In a society riddled with poverty, crime and corruption we have far bigger things to worry about than this.”

    I do not know the commentator nor do I wish to make a comment that may be construed as being personal in any way towards the commentator. However this is a very common escape route used in that part of the world which allows the mixing of apples and horses together. These are two separate and distinct issues and no amount of logic tells you that unless the bigger and more global problems of your society are corrected the smaller and less significant ills should be left as is. I am sure the commentator is an extremely intelligent person as indicated by their writing but probably erred in the issue to indicate that leave the smaller issues alone and only deal with the bigger picture. The society riddled with poverty, crime and corruption is the prime candidate for making small changes as it is beyond anyone ability to make a drastic change; this is how Islam recommended changes in a society where it was acceptable for a son to marry his own mother.
    As far me I collect antique and historic Qurans which are mostly hand written and are several hundred years old. In my collections I have several looses pages as the rest of the pages of the Quran did not survived the test of time. (The scripture it self is indestructible and personally guarded by the Almighty)


  12. faisal siddiqui (unregistered) on July 3rd, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

    well we can shred it first rendering it unreadable and then recycle. then shouldnt be too hard.


  13. Kavish (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 1:48 am

    That was a simply pathetic remark by Alam. A person who has been on the butt of critism from all over the world sparked by a book having nothing but foul language for Our Prophet has been suggested to do such a job. I am surprised and equally mad at something like this which by no means can be considered a joke!


  14. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 2:27 am

    kavish, not everyone on face of earth is a Islam follower. *nuff said*


  15. Imran (unregistered) on July 4th, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

    WORDS are useless. Specially sentences.”

    ~ Jalaluddin Rumi


  16. kidal (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 8:30 am

    The verses of the Qur’an are the literal words of Allah. As Muslims, these are the words that we should live by.

    According to Islamic scholars, we must not simply throw or discard papers with verses of the Qur’an on them. We should do our utmost to prevent them from being intentionally or unintentionally desecrated.

    We find examples in the time of the Sahabah where material with verses of the Qur’an was burnt. So burning is acceptable. As far as I know, throwing in the sea is also an acceptable method, as the paper will eventually decompose. Shredders are a relatively new invention. Some scholars are of the opinion that shredding is also an acceptable way to dispose off paper with verses of the Qur’an. After all, once shredded, the verses cease to exist. I would think that shredding is acceptable. Allah knows best.

    I don’t know if the area being next to a sewerage creek is much of an issue. But care should be taken to avoid the pieces washing back to the shore. Although I would give these people the benefit of the the doubt. Let’s not look for a controversy. God knows, we have enough of them!


  17. Hasan Zuberi (unregistered) on July 5th, 2007 @ 8:41 pm

    From the otehr side of teh border … the hindus dispose the dead babies in polluted river …

    Anger over river burials for India’s dead babies

    NEW DELHI (Reuters) – Within sight of Delhi’s gleaming new metro train, Nawal Kishore slips the body of a baby into the waters of the Yamuna, one of the world’s filthiest rivers.

    It’s just another day at work for the 40-year-old man, who has been disposing of the bodies of three or four children, rich and poor, in the polluted waters of the Yamuna or in the equally dirty river bank every day for the last decade.

    Most Hindus cremate their dead, but crematoria across India usually turn away the corpses of babies and children under three, citing a tradition which says they should either be buried or submerged in “holy” rivers

    … for full read:

    http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=b14bb6a2-a1c3-4ec0-be86-a08f2b16e9fa&k=58195


  18. yabadabadoo (unregistered) on July 6th, 2007 @ 11:55 am

    Dissolving paper in sea only adds to the pollution. These scraps of paper are ingested by marine life and get stuck in their digestive tracts.

    Paper is paper, regardless of the text. Recycling is the only option.


  19. Molvi Fish (unregistered) on July 7th, 2007 @ 3:57 pm

    Those fish with upset stomach will straight go to heaven



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