PNSC Building Fire


PNSC Building is yet again been engulfed in the second such uncontrollable fire this year, it apparently looks suspicious to see it ablaze and again on Sunday!!!. I was at Sandspit when we saw the smoke in the distance and upon our drive back we saw devastation. CDGK has yet again failed to deliver and the Mayor of Karachi was more concerned about a the power struggle between the various agencies in Karachi, while no one had any answers as how this was to be prevented in the future. Despite putting all the resources at the disposal the administration was waiting to watch the fire burn out itself, and maybe all the occupants can look forward to a hefty insurance claim.

On my drive through the area, the public was standing there watching the circus in amazement which actually resulted in hindering the arrival of the fire trucks making their way to the blaze literally honking their way and zig-zagging through the crowd. At that moment one wishes to have an organized system to ensure a traffic free corridor allowing emergency vehicles immediate access to the location and in frustration I wish there was another form of entertainment for our citizens rather then arriving in hordes to watch this building crumble to the ground

81 Comments so far

  1. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 12:07 pm

    very right @adnan
    @reality_check

    In Last five yrs, well, things have happened but since u r dependent on media, u cant do ne thing.

    Remember the phadda , which started from SSUet and spread all around karachi, in 2003 perhaps?
    A guy was killed in ssuet during that phadda.
    I dont know wat in ur dictionary, the word MAJOR means?

    FYI, The last elections, in which mqm was elected, were dummmy elections./ Staff wasnt trained. at some place, single person put up 18 votes etc etc.

    Ne way, since those were ur views, these are my views :D


  2. bluemax (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 3:20 pm

    I think reality_check has not posted anything that was unreal. The GHUNDA GARDI of Najeeb, Tipu, etc. is a known fact. Normal university students at that time really hoped that some other GHUNDA should tackle them head on and thats what happened.


  3. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

    do u mean tip sultan shaheed?
    if yes , then u need to get a life

    us ko tu hindi bhee apnay hero mantey hain.
    Angaraiz bhee us ki bahaduri ko mantay hain

    aur yehi hindu aur angraiz ko tu app follow kertay ho. tu phir aisa q?


  4. d0ct0r (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

    a British firm was paid millions to conduct inquiry after the last fire in February.. now again they’ll pay millions to some foreign firm(plus Ghauri’s kickbacks) to conduct inconclusive inquiries … and finally they’re also contemplating option of installing sprinkler system in the building…

    city govt paid Rs120 million to buy 2 new snorkels and during the fire on sunday one of them failed to work at all.. (thats wat happens when supplier pays decision makers hefty bribes and supplies inferior quality product..)


  5. MB (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 6:21 pm

    @DOC :
    Provide me info on this please
    ” a British firm was paid millions to conduct inquiry after the last fire in February.. now again they’ll pay millions to some foreign firm(plus Ghauri’s kickbacks) to conduct inconclusive inquiries … and finally they’re also contemplating option of installing sprinkler system in the building…”


  6. Concerned (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

    Doctor, At least the city govt received the snorkels. Dont know abt the investigation bit.

    And as for Nadan sidiqqui, i have driven from sadar to Johar maur for more then 6 months. I know the situation but I will still vote for MQM and so will most of khi. RIgging or no rigging MQM will win again.

    And to think tht bec MQM supports Mushy that means they support the establishment, then tht is wrong. the establishment has always been and will always be the feudals. Mushy is there bec there is a power struggle between the feudals and they want him for now, Mushy will be disposed off when they see no need for him. That is why he needs BB by his side.

    and the feudals have never liked MQM, i dont need to tell you that. turn on your tv.


  7. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 7:46 pm

    @ADNAN: “Khud bhee kuch kar lou sarey kaam supreme court se hee karanay hein.”

    By the way can anyone tell IUNKNOWN about TIPU, the first plane hijacker Pakistan has produced. He is dragging Tipu Sultan into this.

    This is getting to be fun :-)


  8. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 8:05 pm

    Adnan wrote: get real dude. COme Karachi and spend just 6 months. Drive your car from Saddar to Gulistan Johar daily then I would see what you talk about. You can’t experience Karachi’s situation with the help of media. Face the heat yourself rather being mouth piece of others.

    @Adnan: Don’t give these lame arguments to me. I have travelled that route on Public transport, those yellow devils. I ask you, was it MQM that refused to finance the Karachi Mass Transit Project started in the 70’s. Was it MQM that dissolved KTC and handed over the Karachi transport to the Tribal Cheifs running the Yellow devils in partnership with the then police officers? at that time they could not find a constable to be recruited from this city. Was it the MQM that paid no attention to expanding and improving circular railway?

    The fact is that, there was a time when nobody wanted to spend anything on Karachi except collect taxes. Take advantage of this window that Musharraf has provided and build as much as you can. Ofcourse, there will be screw-ups, delays and inconveniences but atleast something is being done and if there are any flawed projects then people will learn from them and do a better job next time.

    Wake up! Karachi is out of that state of neglect that engulfed it during the eighties and the nineties don’t try to drag it back.


  9. D0ct0r (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    “The last time the PNSC building caught fire was on February 18, 2007. “Foreign experts said that short circuits were the cause of the blaze then,” Ghauri said.”

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20078\21\story_21-8-2007_pg12_2

    they had even mentioned the name of that british firm on media which am unable to recall atm…


  10. D0ct0r (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 9:06 pm

    @Concerned that Rs60 Million snorkel is just good for sprinkling rose petals at MQM’s rallies… like they’ve been using other snorkels during MQM rallies….


  11. d0ct0r (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

    @Reality let me repeat what i have said earlier..

    “sitting 7000 miles away from ground zero you can afford to say what ever you like but the ground realities are quite different.. you’ve moved out in search of greener pasture to west & with high paid job you’ve a secure future , but what do you have to say about those teenagers who armed with heavy weapons were manning the blockades and check posts all around karachi on 12th may, with clear orders from Grand terrorist Altaf bai to show others that karachi belonged to them..(even CJ sindh highcourt and others had to jump over these barricades on foot when MQM’s unit incharges didn’t allowed their cars to proceed to highcourt premises)…. do these teenagers have a secure future like your self? or would they end up being victim of Altaf bai’s terrorist mentality…”


  12. d0ct0r (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    u don’t want to talk about MQM’s brutal past.. thats quite understandable, but you can’t ignore 12may’s event.. they’re quite fresh.. terrorist organisation like MQM can go on rampage on a short notice like they did on 12th may , you and Altaf bai and safely talk trash sitting cosily in west , its the innocent karachiites that’ll face the music..


  13. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

    @DOCTOR

    What is this? a tag team match. To contradict you in all my posts I have talked about the past. Its you guys who have conveniently avoided that, because you are playing the blame game offerring no solutions and despite being there on the ground are detached from reality. Tell me who else you have in mind for Karachi, Qazi Sahib, Nawaz Shareef, Imran Khan?, I suppose you are not that dumb. I have a lot at stake in Karachi, all my loved ones are there, all my friends are there (the ones that are alive). I lost a couple of very dear ones so don’t give me that detached shit. Anyway I’ll be there in couple of months, but this isn’t about me. Please try to present arguments or analysis, making statements and name calling is the easy part, any one can do that.

    Yes, I have said MQM has a armed wing, so does their opponents, they are the junior most in this regard. Hasn’t Jamaat provided safe houses for international terrorists in Karachi, haven’t they recruited kids from our colleges and universities to send them jihaads in parts unknown. Haven’t the tribal inhabitants of Karachi demonstrated their trigger happiness time and time again? I will not defend May 12 but will advise you to get over it quick, like others got over 100’s killed in one day. May 12 was a good lesson for MQM and they will learn from it. However , I agree with you they have also sent a clear message, “If you want a system change go fight that battle somewhere else, Karachi has had enough of it.”

    As for the teen agers of Karachi, they are doing just fine now, they will have their rock bands and nobody will beat them up for talking to each other. Quite a few new universities of international standards will be up and running in couple of years, I guess one is kick starting in 2008. If things stay the way they are, Karachi will see much more influx of capital in the form of outsourcing business as well as manufacturing units. That’s why the infrastructure has to be re-vamped in quick time without delving into any ideological or system change nonsense.

    On the lighter side, snorkel’s are there just to carry people up or bring them down, they are not pressure pumps. For that you need high pressure fire hydrants installed in every neighbourhood and near all the buildings . This means all roads to be dug up, separate high pressure water mains laid and of course you need water too. That’s one daunting prospect isn’t it. I wonder nobody thought of this in the past 60 years.


  14. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 21st, 2007 @ 10:57 pm

    @DOCTOR

    What is this? a tag team match. To contradict you in all my posts I have talked about the past. Its you guys who have conveniently avoided that, because you are playing the blame game offerring no solutions and despite being there on the ground are detached from reality. Tell me who else you have in mind for Karachi, Qazi Sahib, Nawaz Shareef, Imran Khan?, I suppose you are not that dumb. I have a lot at stake in Karachi, all my loved ones are there, all my friends are there (the ones that are alive). I lost a couple of very dear ones so don’t give me that detached ….. Anyway I’ll be there in couple of months, but this isn’t about me. Please try to present arguments or analysis, making statements and name calling is the easy part, any one can do that.

    Yes, I have said MQM has a armed wing, so does their opponents, they are the junior most in this regard. Hasn’t Jamaat provided safe houses for international terrorists in Karachi, haven’t they recruited kids from our colleges and universities to send them jihaads in parts unknown. Haven’t the tribal inhabitants of Karachi demonstrated their trigger happiness time and time again? I will not defend May 12 but will advise you to get over it quick, like others got over 100’s killed in one day. May 12 was a good lesson for MQM and they will learn from it. However , I agree with you they have also sent a clear message, “If you want a system change go fight that battle somewhere else, Karachi has had enough of it.”

    As for the teen agers of Karachi, they are doing just fine now, they will have their rock bands and nobody will beat them up for talking to each other. Quite a few new universities of international standards will be up and running in couple of years, I guess one is kick starting in 2008. If things stay the way they are, Karachi will see much more influx of capital in the form of outsourcing business as well as manufacturing units. That’s why the infrastructure has to be re-vamped in quick time without delving into any ideological or system change nonsense.

    On the lighter side, snorkel’s are there just to carry people up or bring them down, they are not pressure pumps. For that you need high pressure fire hydrants installed in every neighbourhood and near all the buildings . This means all roads to be dug up, separate high pressure water mains laid and of course you need water too. That’s one daunting prospect isn’t it. I wonder nobody thought of this in the past 60 years.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 1:34 am


    I know the situation but I will still vote for MQM

    @concerned: Ignorance is bliss but too much ignorance is curse. ;). I not even least bothered about your love for MQM.

    And by the way, MQM doesn’t need any physical votes by Karachiites. they would demonstrate typical ghunda gardi on election day lke they did on 12th May.

    @RealityCheck: kahan tum apni jawani k dino mey chalay gaye k 70/75 ki baat karhe ho. talk about current situation.

    MQM whines a lot about quota system but what they did ? Nothing.

    As far as developments done by MQM is concerned, just compare Punjab Govt with sind, you would find a clear difference between sincerity of both govts with their respective cities/provinces. Your MQM couldn’t even getrid of Bus mafia, how else could they do anything else?

    And kindly don’t try to potray MQM a part of innocent souls. I myself was a supporter of MQM in past and had lots of friends who used to support them. I myself have seen how families suffered during 90s operation so i really don’t need someone else’s drawing room talk to asses MQM. Just check the archive of this blog. in past i did mention many things regarding MQM and how they treat their party workers.


  16. bluemax (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 2:38 am

    Adnan, I guess you are an informed person but just for recap a political party needs two-thirds majority to repeal the quota system.

    “The Lower House on Tuesday passed the 16th Constitutional Amendment by two-thirds majority, extending the provincial quota system for another 20 years. Only the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) opposed the amendment.” Ref: THE NEWS, Wednesday, July 28, 1999.

    “The MQM members said that nowhere in the other three provinces was there a divide of the rural and urban like in Sindh. This they said was unfair when even in Punjab, where the Saraiki belt constitutes 40 per cent of the province, the inhabitants were deprived of jobs. The members felt that there was one instance where for grade 11 jobs there was only one vacancy from urban Sindh while two disabled people had seats reserved in the same post. “Don’t push us towards the wall, do not make another Bangladesh,” they cautioned.

    Arif Khan fell upon the ruling of the Shariat Court which had ruled that quota system was un-Islamic. “Is this justice in Islam? It is the rich and landlord class which is ruling this country,” he siad.”


  17. Reality_Chec (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 5:12 am

    @ADNAN There is no need to make big issue out of quota system, it will die its own death. With rapid privatisation all major public corps/banks are already in private hands and with the city govt system all major city jobs are in the control by the city itself. Currently, the govt. jobs are the least attractive and prone to cuts. Use your head, they are not fools.

    As for Bus mafia, if MQM cut them out now there will be so much hue and cry and things will be given ethnic colour and a new front will open. Also, the yellow devils are currently the coverring the whole city an abrupt act will paralyze it. It makes sense to phase them out until alternatives are made available.

    By the way I am not talking about the seventies. KMTP started in 70’s, was thrown in cold storage during the eighties and dealt a death below during the nineties.

    Also, have you seen elections in Punjab or interior of Sindh, I suggest go there this time it will open your eyes. I have not portrayed MQM as innocent souls, it has been a tough fight man, have just tried to keep you in the real world.

    By the way my last post has been blocked, I dont know why?


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 2:15 pm

    RealityCheck now you are being funny. QUota system would die itself? are you kidding? I think you would be in your graves and your next few generations but this quota system will not die. DO remember MQM was in power when Quota got extended for next 20 years. What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system? I tel you the reason, they NEVER raised this issue in assembly,neither local nor fedral. I also tell u that your altaf bai always whined against fudal system,QUota system in his speeches. I have attended jalsas by that moron in 90s and I know what kinda things he used to say.

    Admit that Punjabi govts did more for Lahore as compared to these “sons of Karachi”. These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”. Who was screwing this city? Lahoris or these sons of Karachi?

    It’s better you come out of your so called “reality check” and smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies. You have no solid argument to support them. As I told you, I myself is a mohajir and I personally knew family members of Afzal Anwar and Ishtiaq Azhar. Just ask the son of Ishtiaq Azhar how his dad was offended by these morons who blamed him for something which he had not done at all.


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 2:15 pm

    RealityCheck now you are being funny. QUota system would die itself? are you kidding? I think you would be in your graves and your next few generations but this quota system will not die. DO remember MQM was in power when Quota got extended for next 20 years. What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system? I tel you the reason, they NEVER raised this issue in assembly,neither local nor fedral. I also tell u that your altaf bai always whined against fudal system,QUota system in his speeches. I have attended jalsas by that moron in 90s and I know what kinda things he used to say.

    Admit that Punjabi govts did more for Lahore as compared to these “sons of Karachi”. These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”. Who was screwing this city? Lahoris or these sons of Karachi?

    It’s better you come out of your so called “reality check” and smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies. You have no solid argument to support them. As I told you, I myself is a mohajir and I personally knew family members of Afzal Anwar and Ishtiaq Azhar. Just ask the son of Ishtiaq Azhar how his dad was offended by these morons who blamed him for something which he had not done at all.


  20. bluemax (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

    Adnan, I don’t mean any offence but just using your own words. “What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system?” reality_check has failed to “smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies”, does this mean Adnan Siddiqi is an impotent that he couldn’t convince others.


  21. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    So you are comparing an online discussion between two persons of different opinion with a party who came in power by using an agenda and failed to fulfill its Promise and didn’t work anything for the betterment of their own(Mohajirs). An absurd comparison but not surprising from a Pro-MQM person.


  22. Silver (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 5:30 pm

    We love the MQM for what it has given us … death, destruction and nalas in unexpected places


  23. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 6:17 pm

    reality check, u shud have written the tipu’s complete name as it wasnt Tipu Sultan


  24. Balma (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

    *These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”.

    ****
    Adnan, what is wrong with the words ‘zaani’ and ‘najaiz’?
    Any Urdu translation of Quran will have these words. Now, you do want people to read Quran with translation, right?

    Also, all the kids in the so called madrassahs do come across these words much earlier than other kids. Remember they memorizing Quran starting age 5 and learn the Arabic word ‘zaani’ quite early on in their lives. So, even the so-called madrassah going innnocent (not!) crowd is familiar with these words. For those normal kids who learn the meaning of wrods ‘zaani’ and ‘naajaaiz aulad’ only bit later, hats off to the naaray baaz in Karachi who have helped them improve their Urdu.
    I don’t see what is your problem!


  25. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 22nd, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    @ADNAN

    As for repealing quota system, the powers to be cannot even think of it because it will be the political death of our so called national leaders, it will instantly ignite violence. When this thing was being discussed and data was collected it was found that Karachi was not even getting 20% out of 40 % allocated to it. Today in practice Karachi is getting more than that. Also you didn’t get my point, even if they extend it for a century it will be worthless because the major employers will be out of the government scope (privatisation), universities are establishing testing procedures for admissions so where does quota system figure, it is dead already.

    You talked Ishtiaq Azhar’ s treatment, I lost my best friend to internal conflict in MQM during the Haqiqi days. You talked about showing family backgrounds, this is the strength as well weakness of MQM. It has such a large from ordinary thela wala to Mohalla ka dadagir and from intellectuals to student activists. This does not mean that they don’t have people with leadership credentials, Haider Rizvi, Wasey Jalil and Mustafa Kamal etc are its future and they are doing good. The other parties except I guess jamaat have an elite class leadership with workers as their servants with no hope of getting the party ticket because of the expense involved.

    As for govt of Punjab taking care of its people that’s another story. In brief they have tons of cash to spend, they get 60% of all the natural resources of all the provinces, poor Balochistan gets only 3% percent of its owner ship. Punjab’s biggest resource, its agriculture which is 80% of our economy is not federally taxed so we see nothing of that money. Even then Punjab was in poor state of health, until Nawaz Sharif came to power. Why did he do it because he had middle class origins and was passionate about Lahore. Also meray bhai mysteriously somehow Lahore was saved the huge influx of Afghan refugees, there are no Dera’s there, the demographics are monolithic hence no conflicts like we have in Karachi. Also Lahore did not pay the huge bill by NESPAK for constructing its roads. On the other hand there is no definite estimate how many persons are added to the Karachi population every day. This is not a bad thing, in fact it is the hallmark of any great metropolis but then it needs its resources spent on itself first to cope with such numbers. A lot of catching up has to be done.

    Also, you offer no alternatives, there is just criticism, which is the easiest thing to do.


  26. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

    Balma, feeling lonly? Momma locked you in room?
    Stop being a troll.

    RC: you suffered too due to MQM, lost your friend and still you are being a mouthpiece of them?

    How can talk about alternative when blind followers like you are extreme enough that not agree to see someone else.

    I would definately like to see Imran Khan as alternative regardless he gets failed or not. We tried so many people then why not him?


  27. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

    @ADNAN so now you are talking, ok your alternative is Imran Khan, I am watching what he is saying and doing very closely. Write now I am not sure what he stands for, hope to discuss him sometime in the future by that time IK may come up with some what to do’s / how to do it. Presently, all he is talking about America, Tribal Areas mein kya ho raha hey and Altaf Lets see….

    ADNAN to make it very clear to you I don’t follow any body. I form opinions based on the facts and ground realities never on utopian ideologies or deceptive slogans. In my posts I could have criticized one party with more ammunition than anybody but my objective was just to perk you guys and give some reality checks.

    Also, you mentioned loss of my friend, and how could you ……? To this I would say don’t make it personal about me, the response to your querry is very lengthy and my support for MQM takes into account that incident and many others during the most tumultuous times in Karachi. I personally dodged a few bullets and that were not from MQM. In any any case I don’t want this city that I love being dragged back to that era. I have still lot at stake, all my loved ones and friends are there.

    Hope to have a healthy exchange about IK soon. My advice to you, “Its good that you guys are keen to express your opinions but avoid name calling, branding or single minded criticism. These traits weaken your argument. If you are presenting an alternative discuss him and know what he stands for and what he plans to do and what will be the consequences of his actions.


  28. Balma (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 2:52 am

    Adnan, that was all you could come up with?


  29. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 11:48 am

    Balma, a troll doesn’t deserve more attention that what I gave to you. So sit in corner and read what others are talking about.

    RC: IMO, Imran is not more worst than Altaf, maybe Imran is a lot better. How could one assess him unless he’s given responsibility? Altaf is being tested for last 19 years, he did nothing and gvae us nothnig but dead bodies of mohajirs. As I told you, I belong to a genuine Mohajir family and have no outsiders(Punjabi,sindhi, et etc) in my family. My family has supported Altaf like any other mohajor could do but my family was not ignorant and realized later that we did a mistake. DO NOT think you are more mohajir than me or you know more than me. I feel proud to be a mohajir but not part of MQM. MOhajir and MQM are two different things which you should keep this in mind.


    I form opinions based on the facts and ground realities never on utopian ideologies or deceptive slogans.

    so far I found no fact in your posts? Look dude Unlike few here like Mansoor who are supporting altaf just because He speaks his language, I personally experienced the cult of MQM. Go thru archive of this KMB, I have mentioned SEVERAL FACTS about MQM in previous posts. You are newbie, it doesn’t mean you start concluding about others on basis of one or two posts. This is an immature attitude.


    Also, you mentioned loss of my friend, and how could you

    Are you alright? Was that not you who said:


    You talked Ishtiaq Azhar’ s treatment, I lost my best friend to internal conflict in MQM during the Haqiqi days.

    I think you take rest. IF you expect you should not be replied of what you write then better don’t participate. I also ask u to go thru archive of this blog to learn what ACTUALLY i know about MQM.


  30. Balma (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

    Adnan, it is not a matter of attention.
    It is about your ridiculous complain of people using Quranic and Urdu terms to describe Imran Khan’s kartoots. Either don’t act like mini Farhat Hashmi on KMB or stop complaining about the use of Quranic terms in politics.
    Kids who memorize Quran know this word, women and children who listen to Qira’at on TV hear this word, so who are your trying to protect from this naaray bazi or city walls?
    P.S. I am against all kind of graffiti on walls.


  31. Reality_Check (unregistered) on August 24th, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

    @First I am not a newbie and i dont need your insight on local and world affairs to form my opinions. i have experienced the lot….

    As for you I think you were never in MQM my guess is you were always a Jamaatee, all this, is just an adopted personna.



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