8 Reasons why MQM should stay away from presidential poll

Keeping it local I wonder if MQM will vote for a man who in all practical/real terms is ONLY the president of PML-Q (Pakistan Military League of Quacks) than the president of Pakistan. The rest of land is either in the hands of Chaudhries (Punjab), Waderas (Sindh) or Aliens (NWFP+Balauchistan) or men with gun. They may consider doing a re-think as:-

1. President represents unity of federation (Sindh/NWFP/Punjab/Balauchistan) in parliamentary system/constitution & Mush doesn’t. He came through a rigged & designed (himself accepting some irregularities on TV) referendum by intelligence agencies.
2. A president is supposed to be neutral while ours openly defy constitution and appears in PML-Q gatherings, takes side in speeches & lectures the nation to vote for a particular side of his like-minded thinking.
3. Musharraf would go down in history as cheater who excused himself on senseless pretexts while promising on state TV to doff uniform.
4. Considers himself sent by divine declaration & without him this nation that boasts about its fertility in talent cannot survive anymore. Had he used his valuable time reading history he would know Cheghez used to think the same. Even this self created myth broke into pieces two days back when he struck a deal with the party of thieves in his own words kionki doobtey ko tinkey ka sahara chaiye & Mush was indeed sinking so he compromised on his own 7 point agenda.
5. A man in uniform cannot be president, says constitution. If anyone says 17th amendment allowed, it was wrong as the same constitution doesn’t allow any change in its basic structure (civil servants cannot govern.). If the counter argument is the SC allowed, it than even that was wrong (as its proved now as many SC judges lately/openly/recently said e.g Bhagwandas/Iftikhar Chaudhry ). Moreover SC has the right to review its own judgment.
6. MQM is the only party that wants Army out of politics completely. This they compromised few years back but now can clean themselves if they stay away today from this process.
7. Voting for a man in uniform will end their strong argument about wadera system which in fact is the courtesy of Generals (majority of whom relatives of these jageerdars/sarmayadars) else it can be said Kis muu se jaaogey vote maangney ke liye Altaf, sharam tumko magar nai aati.
8. The president by all public opinion polls has loose credibility and trust of this nation and giving him energy would be making a ghost a reality. In any case if PPP comes to power, rest assure it has many Naseer-ullah Babars waiting to settle the May 12 score.

82 Comments so far

  1. SELF (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    My problem with IK is if he is ever to become a leader for any significant portion of people then we will have to allow adultery to every youngster. You can’t portray one person as shining example of leadership and then not let others follow his example.


  2. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 2:53 am

    KARACHIITE – I second your thought, however for an ordinary person that argument might hold true, but when you are in public domain and project yourself as a leader, then your private life also in adverdantly becomes public property, thats a sad fact. I think its good for Imran that all this came out much before elections, unlike the last time.

    As for the TV shows it depends. If our channels had programmes like ET then may be yes. IK’s personal affair came for discussion on capital talk only after MQM filed a petition in EC and they were asked about it by Hamid Mir, it was obviously a setup and Hamid Mir was a part of it. That left a bad taste in my mouth too.

    I personally have serious doubts about Imrans leadership skills based on his performance so far, rather than anything else.


  3. TRUE PAKISTANI (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 3:18 pm

    Reality Check. There are factions of mulsims who did a lot. British never been so passionate to the muslims from the onset. You can not expect a perfect role from Nawab’s of India but their contribution is significantly supoorted muslims cause. But being Mulsim Pakistani we must read War of Independence 1857, it was great struggle but our generation in this country never realized it. Perhaps not many aware that Karachi has also played very strong role in this movement during those days. Many muslim soldiers , who later, arrested were executed by folding them in front of mouth of the cannon, in the ground where, Empress Market is standing.

    There were mulsims who fought against British had unbeliveable characters. May be like Sahaba akram. They were prepared to sacrifice every thing.

    Parties like MQM are playing a game for Jewish and Neocons. And their leadersip is so illiterate they dont even know what on earth they have been doing.

    Musharraf is also a similar kind of short sighted muslim leader. And our history is full such Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq. At present days we have Mir Altaf and Mir Mushharaf. The only solution for our proposerity is to know our real ROOTS and not like some one who just follows the Band wagon without knowing what is the destination.


  4. TRUE PAKISTANI (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

    Reality Check. There are factions of mulsims in India who did a lot during those days, though some of them have not a perfect players. British never been so passionate to the muslims from the onset. You can not expect a perfect role from Nawab’s of India but their contribution significantly supported muslims cause and they done good charity work.

    But being Mulsim Pakistani we must read War of Independence 1857, it was great struggle but our generation in this country never realized it. They have heroes like Altaf or Mustufa Kamal.

    Perhaps not many are aware that Karachi had also played very strong role in this movement during 1857. Many muslim soldiers from British army raised against their Bristis officers, who later, arrested were executed by folding them in front of mouth of the cannons, in the ground where, Empress Market is standing presently.

    There were mulsims who fought against British had unbeliveable characters. May be like Sahaba akram. They were prepared to sacrifice every thing, family, fortune, titles, properties. many were hanged in front of their families without any trial. Many were sent to Andaman islands on exile.

    Parties like MQM are playing a game against mulsim unity and they are working for Jewish and Neocons. And their leadersip is so illiterate they dont even know what on earth they have been doing and what will the consequences. Thats the biggest tragedy. Karachites started to realizing the Game Plan and if there will be fair Elections in Karachi, this filth will never be elected. People really hate them. But due to their Fascist techniques every one here is helpless.

    Musharraf is also a similar kind of short sighted creature. And our history is full such Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq. At present days we have Mir Altaf and Mir Mushharaf. The only solution for our proposerity is to know our real ROOTS and not like some one who just follows the Band wagon ideas without knowing what is the destination of our nation.


  5. SELF (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

    TRUE PAKISTANI, Jamaat Islami are the original fascists. No one in Pakistan had first hand experience of fascism before them. Jamaat islami is stabbing in nation’s back since before partition and your long meaningless rants can’t change this fact.


  6. Concerned (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

    @True Pakistani

    I really enjoyed he bit in Mushys last interview when he said that people like to think they are speaking for the entire country, in your case city.

    People in khi still support MQM, they dont vote for MQM bec they are forced to. Stop being so naive, with the level of media you have now adays can you actually think MQM wins bec they make everyone vote on gunpoint or they rig the elections.

    Agreed some rigging takes place but for MQM to maintain govt they need public support and they have it. So get tht through your thick skull and stop arguing.


  7. SELF (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

    TRUE PAKISTANI, add Islami Jamiat e Tulba to the list of organisations whose role you need to explain. No rants please.


  8. TRUE PAKISTANI (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

    Dear,

    Remember the walls of Karachi with slogans “Jo Quaid Ka Ghaddar hey woh Moot ka haqdar hey”.

    This is the fact. Remember 12 May, Thats the reason why Karachi can’t freely speak against these Nazis. Think. Use peanut brains.


  9. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 9:37 pm

    TRUE PAKISTANI unfortunately the more I get to know the thoughts of people like you the more strength in my belief that I am right. Bhai get a real sense of history first. dont over blow the role of 1857 in the history of Sub -Continent, it was a rebellion by both hindu and muslim soldiers, and thats it. After wards the British made corrections to ensure that an event like this wouldnt happen again and it never did.

    There is no use making abstract claims about and neocon and jewish agenda’sbeing promoted by our leaders. SELF is right , MQM is here primarily because Jamaat failed to deliver. There international agenda some how tramples over local priorities. MQM will continue to gain strength because of their bond with the common man and flexible approach in transforming themselves from ethnic to a political group, after all they were just reactionary students, its only in past couple of years that they have matured into politicians and to their credit are making all the right moves along with of course some stupid mistakes. They are learning and adapting fast. If you look around and take a look at all the political parties, you will see regression, tooth phoot and no sense of direction, whereas, its not the case with MQM and that’s the reality.

    Asa for Mush being a short sighted creature…Bhai he has done the difficult job of transforming Zia’s army to Pakistan’s army, facing hostile right wing media and enduring foolish actions by our American friends, who made his job ten times more difficult. But he is pushing on, personally when he speaks I get the sense of sincerity and objectivity that I don’t get from any other Pakistani leader and that’s why he will survive and continue…


  10. karachiite (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 10:38 pm

    reality-check, just couple of quick points:

    i dont think that mqm leaders were put on the spot by hamid mir and they were not ready for it- i respectfully beg to disagree – if that was the case they would not have been ready and armed with reams of evidence on IK.

    To the second point of yours – Imran maybe a good cricket leader – he is not a good leader of common man cuz he is too much into himself- i feel an air of superiority about him. if he needs to succeed in his goals he needs to get some honest and sincere and respected leaders to his party and stop being a one-man show.

    Also Bhai reality-check, its obvious that you are an mqm supporter – however, I also think that you are a reasonable person – which in itself is an oxymoron ;) anyway – yes, mqm is a reality and it has done some things better than others – but you must be kidding to say that they matured – I dont think that they have really – they are a one-man show and if you take out Altaf they would not matter much – all the strides that have been made by mqm is thanks to mush and his isi sleuths who got altaf in their pockets for whatever reason.

    I would have agreed with you that mqm has evolved into a mature political party if we take altaf out and mqm still remains a force – i very much doubt that it will be the case – so, no matter who mqm claims to represent they are no different from the other parties which are one-man or one-woman show. mqm has no charter – infact i believe that mqm is basically misleading the karachi awaam by giving up on the goals that they came into being for. altaf talks about standing up for the lower middle class but sitting in the government with the looters and the usurpers (army+q-league) it loses credibility. sadly no politician or political party wants to stick to principles…


  11. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

    KARACHIITE I said it was a setup and both hamid mir and ghori were on it and it was in bad taste….may be my wording confused you.

    Second point…I never considered IK as good cricket leader……He was never a team guy, always pre-occupied by himself….never there on tough domestic series…always ready to join on glamorous tours…even when injured. Also destroyed carreers of many talented guys based on personal likes and dislikes.

    On third point you are exactly right….take out Altaf ….and you may end up with splinter groups…which would be much worse…BTW you dont know the guys they have pretty good jems….thats why they do what they do….and nobody can ,match that. Yes MQM is sitting in government…so whats wrong with that?….they did not made Q -league or brought Mush to power. They are co-existing and doing a good job for the people. They have set the stage for this city to move forward, of course with the help of Mush and why not…all Nawaz wanted was to take Banks and industry away from this city. Now investors are lining up to invest and religous fanatic groups have been sidelined. There are no suicide attacks and no secterian violence and thats no mean achievement.


  12. karachiite (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    reality-check, somewhat agree with you on the way IK played cricket – well he was a dictator and an arrogant one at that – guess all dictators are ;)
    but at least he took a rag tag bunch of guys and won us a world cup – that sorta washed out most of his misdeeds. those were the good old days of mostly amateurish cricket.

    i agree – when there is money and some sincerity you do get to see some results on the ground. like the motorways and such. mqm, has been doing the work since it has been handed the money to do the work – think billions of rupees – which was never available to any government to do developmental work – this money is coming with strings attached and strict accountability from the donors – its not a blank check like it was in the yester years – hence you see the dollars converted into tangible results. we still dont know if there absolutely no corruption involved. with the way the things are kept so tight within mqm echelons – probably we will never know.

    all i am saying is that mqm is not a viable party – with no solid agenda – altaf’s claims about standing up to feudals and being on the side of the oppressed lower middle class contradicts mqm’s sitting in the government. but then again who sticks to politics of principles in pakistan or elsewhere for that matter. all i am saying is dont put up a charade of being on the side of the oppressed and anti-establishment(biggest part of which includes army) and anti-usurpers(the biggest of those being the army in pakistan)and anti-feudals(who are in cahoots with the army) when their actions are to the contrary.


  13. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 3:42 am

    *********Altaf’s claims about standing up to feudals and being on the side of the oppressed lower middle class contradicts mqm’s sitting in the government.

    How come this MQM sitting in govt contradicts anything. Feudals contro every major political party in Pakistan and JI is not at odds with them. does this means that MQM should never sit in government? On the contrary MQM should never miss the chance to participate, otherwise, people like Jams and Shah will take this city for a ride and sell it very cheap.

    As for development funds being made availaible, surely the credit goes to Mush for that, after 50 years of just taking, he has given back something to this city. True their is strick accountability, but MQM has shown that it has the man power and committed individuals in shape of councillors and Nazims driven by the desire to plan and execute. As for courruption, in a country like ours ther must be some but the its not like filling up the files and poketting every thing. Also, the CDGK is the first to have quarterly audits by independent auditors. Things are changing for the better i dont why the nay sayer want to keep the nation in a depressed state.

    Look what we have achieved in Kashmir both Govt and NGO’s have done a great job, all the international orgs are showering their praise, I dont know why do we have to be so skeptic….


  14. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 11:11 am

    Imran, “potty mouth” is a term which is generally used for the person who call names. You might like to check Urban online dictionary.

    I am not surprised you are bringing family in middle. This is yet another quality of MQM. Offcourse I wouldn’t blame your family in return because I am sure your parents and other family people are wonderful people and it’s not their fault that we experiencing you today. Maybe due to hectic life schedule, they couldn’t keep an eye on your friends’ circle.


  15. imran (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

    @Badnan Siddiqui,

    If something in the western dictionary, does not mean that its right to use. You know what ‘potty mouth’ translates in Urdu. Our culture does not allow us to call somebody ‘potty mouth’ so having this word in urban dictionary does not proof that its used is allowed in our culture. ‘PIG’ is also in the dictionary and in west people do call each other ‘you eat like pig’ so we should start using that in PAKISTAN TOOO??????????
    you have been draging all mqm workers in every matter and calling them with names..let me tell you that there are elder ppl and women in mqm who are somebody’s parents, sisters, mothers so if you do that next time you are going to get the same in the return..


  16. Balma (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

    Reality_check:

    Since the other posting is off limits now, I have to say it here (bit out of context) that yes, I finally read the Hamza Alvi article today.
    Interesting.
    I have heard that one disadvantage of Khilafat movement was that lots of Muslim families took their kids away from govt. run schools. Cynics believe that Gandhi promoted that kind of behavior. But, I doubt it. Muslims were and are stupid enough by themselves. They don’t need any help from Gandhi.

    Also, another famous person during Khilafat movement was Dr. Ansari who led the medical mission to help Turkish army in the Balkans (I believe). His two grandsons are the members of provincial and federal assemblies from UP. Both involved in ghundagardi, almost 80 percent of Indian national assembly members have murder type law suits against them (according to a recent WSJ article).

    Anyways…..
    Sorry to everyone if this stuff is out of conetxt here.


  17. karachiite (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    ******How come this MQM sitting in govt contradicts anything. Feudals contro every major political party in Pakistan and JI is not at odds with them. does this means that MQM should never sit in government?******

    Reality_Check, well if it doesnt contradict anything then I am not sure what will – you admit that mqm is sitting with the feudals in the government yet its leader misses no opportunity to blast the feudals. In my opinion the military in pakistan is way worst and detrimental to the country than the feudals – infact they are all in cahoots in exploting the country.

    As for the developmental work – man! that was inevitible(sp?) no matter which government would have come into power they would have had to work on karachi’s infrastructure otherwise it would have led to some other bad things….and i will again say that most of the plans were chalked out for the development work at the fedral level – like the money coming from the fedral government. Its a fallacy to think that mqm has changed anything for karachi – the fundamentals havent changed – i think that like most things musharraf is calling the shots within mqm – like the appointment of mustafa kamal.

    and to your comments about being skeptic – well, what are we talking abou? Pakistan and Pakistanis – we gotta to be skeptic!!! we have been bitten by this chest thumping before – but this talk of transforming karachi into a dubai is another fantasy – you have to lay a strong foundation to erect a tall skyscraper – you cant build a tall building like the northern bypass just cuz you are too eager to take credit. we have to be vigilant cuz we have been duped before and sure that we are now and will be in the future – so asking questions and commenting is our right – and people who are in power should learn to take positive criticism and not just ignore it like they did with the election or rather imposition of musharraf as president.


  18. karachiite (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    ******How come this MQM sitting in govt contradicts anything. Feudals contro every major political party in Pakistan and JI is not at odds with them. does this means that MQM should never sit in government?******

    Reality_Check, well if it doesnt contradict anything then I am not sure what will – you admit that mqm is sitting with the feudals in the government yet its leader misses no opportunity to blast the feudals. In my opinion the military in pakistan is way worst and detrimental to the country than the feudals – infact they are all in cahoots in exploting the country.

    As for the developmental work – man! that was inevitible(sp?) no matter which government would have come into power they would have had to work on karachi’s infrastructure otherwise it would have led to some other bad things….and i will again say that most of the plans were chalked out for the development work at the fedral level – like the money coming from the fedral government. Its a fallacy to think that mqm has changed anything for karachi – the fundamentals havent changed – i think that like most things musharraf is calling the shots within mqm – like the appointment of mustafa kamal.

    and to your comments about being skeptic – well, what are we talking abou? Pakistan and Pakistanis – we gotta to be skeptic!!! we have been bitten by this chest thumping before – but this talk of transforming karachi into a dubai is another fantasy – you have to lay a strong foundation to erect a tall skyscraper – you cant build a tall building like the northern bypass just cuz you are too eager to take credit. we have to be vigilant cuz we have been duped before and sure that we are now and will be in the future – so asking questions and commenting is our right – and people who are in power should learn to take positive criticism and not just ignore it like they did with the election or rather imposition of musharraf as president.


  19. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 11:28 pm

    Write on BALMA, the key is knowing your history i.e seeing it from different perspectives and then forming your opinions otherwise follow the blind and fall into a ditch, thats what has happened to Muslims.


  20. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    KARACHIITE this is what happens in democracy, you have to sit and talk with people with totally different view points. In Europe liberals will form a minority govt with conservatives if the mandate is split. This doesnt mean that they support each others ideals, its just a compromise of necessity. Feudals will continue to carry weight in Pakistan politics for considerable time in future. I have said it earlier, that there is a strong middle class emerging from Punjab, people like Mushahid Hussain, Sheikh Rasheed, Durrani and others (thanks to Musharraf) have a greater say in policy making than any feudal. BTW PPP has a major anti Feudal Agenda look at their web site, however, their leadership is all feudal, thats hypocracy to me. This doesnt mean that MQM should not form govt with PPP either.

    Again for development work, what you are trying to do is avoid giving any due credit to a certain party. Thats all I can make of your argument.

    Sure positive criticsm is always welcome, but perpetual negativity can also trigger a state of despair and dooom, which is un-called for. It is my personal opinion that this nation has passed its low, and things will turn for the better.


  21. Balma (unregistered) on October 10th, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

    * follow the blind and fall into a ditch, thats what has happened to Muslims.

    *** Mulla Omar is only half-blind.


  22. karachiite (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 12:42 am

    reality-check, point well taken about democracies having coalition of disparate parties. But the situation is a little different here. I am not sure if altaf furthering his cause celebre now to fight feudalism by sitting in this government.
    anyway – we can agree to disagree.

    sh. rashid, mushahid, durrani are no more than poodles in the military establishment – furthering their own cause. these people have no principles that they follow and are yes-men to whoever would give them a chance to be on the talk shows – i give credit to mushahid that he had to endure house arrest to find the savior in musharraf – sh. rashid and durrani didnt have to bother the military establishment to coax or convince them – i guess they were the ones to convince the isi to let them be on their side ;)
    Friend, those are not the role models for middle class you should have listed here…..they are demagogues at best.
    but you are right for giving musharraf credit for keeping their appearances on tv talk shows going.

    as for development work – yes – there is tangible work going on – but i guess i am not able to make my point clear – my point is that you are giving too much credit to a particular party for it. give credit to imf/world bank/asian dev. bank/usa/gb/japan/saudi arabia/etc. and the tightening of the screws by these entities in terms of accountability of funds….and then trying to thump the chests that we are getting audited – well, its not unusual but rather very routine to have an organization’s (governmental or otherwise) to have their books audited – infact its more important that public organizations have their books audited on a regular basis. Its their duty!!! this is the problem with pakistan – stating the obvious and then taking credit for it too :)

    again – i think its not all doom and gloom – all i am saying that whatever msuharraf and his gang of lotas are saying we have to take it with a bag of salt. as i said – you have to lay solid foundation to build a skyscraper – you can’t just one fine morning wake up and decide that karachi will be turned into dubai – that takes a lot of strategic planning, creativity, hard work and support structure which is STILL completely lacking in pakistan – what do you expect from an army guy. anyway – i am not a pessimist – you might think i am – but i always have a positive outlook – and its part of it that i point out the mistakes and shortcomings i see currently – we deserve better and are always sold short by our leaders – this has made us not a nation which strives for excellence but rather a nation which stives for mediocrity and on top of it boasts about it too and take pride in it.

    i dont think that our schools/colleges/universities are producing the brains which would take us on the path to excellence…..with the current set up we will always be mediocre and will be good at that too.

    We have to question and challenge the present to guarantee a better future. sitting on our behind and feeling proud of something that should have been done 20-25 years ago is not very inspiring.

    we have potential but always led astray by the demagogues – in the military garb, or behind a beard, or by people in pajeros, or in kurta pajamas,


  23. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 1:35 am

    Bhai KARACHIITE I met a lady from Karachi University Ph.d in Micro Biology or something…. who was doing a two Year Post doctoral programme in New York. The first year was financed by Higher Education Commission and the second year by a US Foundation. She has since gone back, and working on a commercial project based on her studies being funded by govt of Pakistan. Such things were un-heard of in the recent past. The good thing is that its not a one off case. So bhai a lot is happenning but only the bad gets projected.


  24. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 1:40 am

    Also, neither Sheikh Rasheed nor Mushahid Hussain are lota’s, they were in fact deserted by their leadership. Mushahid remained in jail while Nawaz Bhai flew away and left him there for good. They are one of those who are talking sense in this political mayhem.


  25. Balma (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 2:06 am

    Is it Mushahid Hussain who peed in the court or was it some other crook of Navaz NoSharif govt who bestowed that honor on a Pakistani court?
    Where is that crook who imported BMWs during the 24 window when duties were dropped on luxury cars?
    Where are all those jokers?


  26. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 3:44 am

    No he was the NAB / BMW guy…….Saif-ur-Rehman


  27. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 3:49 am

    I think Saif-ur-Rehman was forced to return a big chunk of money and then dis-appeared into nothingness.


  28. Balma (unregistered) on October 12th, 2007 @ 1:46 am

    And didn’t SAif-ur-Rahman’s wife escape to India jahan say voh aansoo bhari kahaniyaa’n likhtee thee, keh meray shauhar ko choRRo…ab kee barr voh beimaani nahi’n karay gaa.????? or someting like that.


  29. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 12th, 2007 @ 3:38 am

    I dont remember about his wife,but Saif Sahib was like no other Pakistan politician, I quote from Talat Hussains article from Frontline;

    “Former senator Saif-ur Rehman, chief of the Sharif government’s Accountability Bureau, forerunner of the present National Accountability Bureau, did even better: he offered an unsolicited apology to Asif Ali Zardari and Benazir Bhutto for running motivated campaigns against them. (Raja Pervez claims that Mr Rehman went to the extreme of kneeling before Mr Zardari, touching his feet, and apologising to him in public).”

    Below link is also very revealing;

    http://cryptome.sabotage.org/pkib-bhutto.htm


  30. Balma (unregistered) on October 12th, 2007 @ 8:41 pm

    Yeah, I remember some stupidity on Navaz sharif’s part got Budnazir and her handsome husband off the hook on technical matter.
    Does not mean that Budoo and Zaroo are not chores.

    In fact, my long held belief is that none of these guys are ever sincere. They don’t really want to try the corrupt in courts…because tomorrow khood bhee phans saktay hai’n….they just dilly dally to get some political benefits. Otherwise, if Navaz was sincere, there were thousand ways of netting Budoo and Zaro for corruption. But why bother, because tomorrow someone could put Navaz in trouble1
    So it is the case of: You scratch my back, I will scratch yours.

    lahole-va-laa-quvatah-illah-billah: may the shaitan Budnazar stay away from Pakistan. Ameen, summa (thumma for fanatics) ameen.


  31. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 12th, 2007 @ 10:12 pm

    Agreed – Nobody wants to set a precednce by convicting their rival. As long as its black mail its ok.


  32. karachiite (unregistered) on October 17th, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

    reality_check bhai, you give one example and take it as the norm – i know few people who in the 70s and 80s did their phDs in various fields and did return and work for the government – so this is not something thats initiated by this government.

    also – what you are sayin is consistent with what i was saying earlier – that we take pride and feel good about things which should have been done normally and should not even be mentioned – we stive for mediocrity instead of striving for excellence – hence we are feeling good that one phd person returned to pakistan – you dont know the circumstances why the person returned – there could be a lot of factors.

    as to your point of sh. rashid and mushahid not being lotas – i dont agree with your logic – if they are not lotas then i dont know what lotas are – i am glad that you didnt say that sher gaggan and that doodhwala wasi zafar are talking sense too ;)



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