A Deadly Celebration

General Musharraf’s victory yesterday has met a mixed response from different factions of society. The most visible in celebrations in Karachi were by MQM workers who set up kiosks at various locations with speakers blaring out ‘Altaf Bhaii’ songs, roamed the streets with their party flags on their bikes and set off fireworks all over the city.

Sadly, 15 of these celebrators have suffered serious burns after a truck loaded with firecrackers exploded after a live cracker fired by jubilant political workers in Korangi area set off a fire. The injured included two 10-year-olds Hasan and Humayun, Umer, Sabir, Javed, Noman, 13, Wasim, Mansoor, Naeem, Salim and Taufeeq. Some of the victims could not be identified.

These young children were unwitting victims of party workers with cases against them who sought to be included in the latest jest, namely the National Reconciliation Ordinance by proving their loyalty to the dictator up north, also the ‘sole lawmaker’ of this country nowadays.

49 Comments so far

  1. Zee (unregistered) on October 7th, 2007 @ 11:29 pm

    Now, you can’t really blame everything on MQM or Mushy. C’mon give the guys a little break and don’t write biased misleading posts.

  2. Neena (unregistered) on October 7th, 2007 @ 11:32 pm

    Celebrating some event with foreworks is not a crime but using it properly is utmost necessity otherwise not only one endanger themselves but spectators too and injuring someone with it surely an offence. Read firecracker safety and precautions here and here.

  3. ALAM (unregistered) on October 7th, 2007 @ 11:44 pm

    I think Allah mian punished the MQM gundas for working with a dictator :D

  4. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 12:51 am

    ehhe, neena is trying to “defend” a party here. Just in previous post she assumed that I defended someone and gave me a long lecture. Dosro ko naseehat, khud ko faseehat . *shakes head*.

    zee, we also want to give a break to both altaf and Musharraf but they say, Dil Mangay Aur. :-)

  5. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 1:22 am

    Why not city or some private company takes a charge of displaying these FIREWORKS with the help of expert people?
    Giving or selling firworks to kids is always dangerous.
    Whoever is the victor, fireworks is always a fun to watch

  6. .!. (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 3:25 am

    another dumb post by,

    SID= S…+I….+D….

  7. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 4:06 am

    @ Mr Adnan
    I dont think NEENA was defending any party.
    She had a very good comment and informative links.

    YOU Mr Adnan need to get out of this party , party mode.
    “Just party like a rock star” thats just a song :)
    and no I didnt have that toxic liqour.
    Not every american drinks alcohol “wrong concept”
    You (as in anybody) can enjoy life without alcohol and dangerous fireworks.

  8. IRFAN (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 4:25 am

    If President Musharraf pardon BB was the big deal.
    Pardons for criminal are a major part of democracy.
    Look at President Clinton’s pardons for example:


    and who really controls Pakistan see also ISI’s contributions to pakistan


    this is all a drama. being played again and again all over the world in the name of democracy.

    enjoy :)

  9. d0ct0r (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 6:09 am

    National Reconciliation Ordinance also washes off terrorism charges and crime of heinous nature in which most of the MQM leadership is involved? thats disturbing… i thought it was just the cases of monetary corruption that were being wiped off… which mostly benefits benazir and Q leagues’s corrupt politicians…

  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 6:49 am

    doctor, yes. That’s why MQM welcomed the ordinance.

    alam!! kia baat hay , pichli kuch posts se bara Allah yaad araha hay? kahin gardish-e-halat ka shikar tu nahi hogaya ghalib aur faiz ki tarha? :-)

    Faiz sari umar communism ka rona rota raha aur ghalib ney sari zindagi sharab k talash mey khuwar kardi but dono par jab musibat pari tu nani yaad agayee tu ek ney na tha Kuch tu Khuda tha, kuch na hota tu khuda hota ki sada buland ki jabki dosray ne ye nara mastana buland kia, Bus Naam rahay ga Allah ka, jo ghaib bhe hay hazir bhee .

  11. .!. (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 7:08 am


    wud you mind adding ALLAMA IQBAL as well in your list of FARIGH poets.

    He drank all his life, had never been a FIVE TIME daily worshiper


    what a joke! atleast Ghalib wasnt a hypocrite at all.

  12. Tariq Khanani (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 8:16 am


    Woh christian bear wala joke parha tha na. Bas wohi case lagta hay Alam ka.

  13. ALAM (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 9:10 am


    @Adnan and Khanini pork walon

    dont be happy, I am not allama iqbal type hypocrite. I am against MQM danga fasad and pro dictatorship stand, and I alluded to Allah mian to make u poor ignorant ppl happy.

    About Faiz: Read his “Aaye haath uthain hum bhi, hum jinhany rasm-e-dua yaad nahin”

    There is no atheist ever born who denied God existence in a way better than Faiz. But off course u need some intelligence to understand his poetry. Reading Iqbal won’t hon this skill. Iqbal is for the retarded ppl (and that explains why Pakistan came into being)

  14. .!. (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 9:26 am



    @ ALAM.
    agreed what you said,

    Iqbal is for the retarded ppl

    though i would put this in a bit different way,

    iqbal is for bigoted believers.

  15. .!. (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 9:41 am


    by the way just wanna say something about Faiz,

    he was against oppression and dictatorship and yet he was an admirer of STALIN.

    modern world has never seen a DESPOT like stailn, who ordered executions of millions of his own ppl.

    Faiz in my opinion was also a Hypocrite, he always supported Soveit form of government and on the other hand condemn Zia.

    If Zia had been a leftist General too, i bet Faiz would have supported him.

  16. Tariq Khanani (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 10:08 am

    “dont be happy, I am not ……………………………… make u poor ignorant ppl happy.”

    Aik baat karo bhai happy or no happy.

    “Anything inconsistent is termed as confusion”

  17. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 10:15 am

    Iqbal was a secular hence hypocrite :-)

  18. IUnknown (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:18 am

    neena has posted precautions for using crackers for jahil ghundaas .. LoL

  19. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:44 am

    what a diversion – from crackers to tun iqbal and bay faiz

  20. Tariq Khanani (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 12:04 pm

    City under construction hay na is liye Diversion hay!

  21. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 12:05 pm

    yeah, from crackers to crackpots?

  22. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

    I am writing this with a big smile :). Posts like these reflect such an obvious bias that I find them very amusing. To answere the first part, I think NEENA’s response is sufficient, pass it on to those who handle Fire works. Dont worry I have already done that.

    As for reconcilliation ordinance, any questions should be directed towrds BB. Muttahida never put such demands while negotiating to form the governments either with, Mush, Benazir or Sharif and will not care if this ordinance is implemented or not. Politically, the stand they took viz a viz the ordinance was justified and in public domain.

    In all this presidentional election episode, ironically the parties on the Mush side have maintained a clear stand and remained steadfast in the face of immense pressure from media. Even a party like PML(Q) voted for Mush, but its members made their reservations about the ordinance known, in a perfectly democratic way. Sadly, the same cannot be said about the opposition, there is confusion, hypocracy and back stabbing. It seems that they have left everything on the lawyers, which themselves are going no where.

  23. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 9:47 pm


    It is sad indeed that you continue to display your ignorance on this forum. Open your mind and let knowledge seep in. Only then shall you be free. Until then, you shall continue to blindly follow the blind.

    Faiz and Iqbal are great poets who wrote powerful poetry. Faiz was more the populist. But iqbal is in a class of his own. There is no thinker i have ever read who even comes close to iqbal in describing the interconnectivity between all things in the universe. Both living and non-living. His poetry reaches dimensions of deep space that are being discovered NOW in physics. In order to really understand iqbal, you have to have a deep understanding of leading edge physics. They the true beauty of Iqbal genius shines through. All this is lost if one just reads iqbal as you would read any other poet. Do not disparage if you do not understand. Try learning instead.

  24. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 10:15 pm

    KADUNA2003 wrote about Iqbal;

    ****His poetry reaches dimensions of deep space that are being discovered NOW in physics.

    This is a new one going to the credit of Sir Allama Iqbal. Can you name any physical laws or theories to support your claim?

    Iqbal did import modern philosophical concepts by Nietzsche and other western thinkers and tried to mix them with Islamic doctrine. To me he is a wonderful poet but a confused scholar, who in turn was used to confuse the whole nation. BTW nobody reads his Khutbaat, those are the ones that explain his thought more clearly.

  25. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

    Sitaroun se Agay Jahan aur bhe hain
    Abhi Ishq k Imtehan Aur bhe hain


    I don’t know whether iqbal had scientific knowledge or said on basis of religious knowldege but I think that 1st line of this famous shair talks indirectly about Hubble’s law of expanding universe.

  26. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:07 pm


    A good place to start would be his works translated on the net at:


    He deals with reality and time and space there. But the real joy comes when you read those writings by iqbal and then read the modern quantum physics (or vice versa). The the penny really drops on the knowledge of Iqbal and what a great thinker he truly was. Pakistani will truly appreciate him a 100 year from now i think :)

  27. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:11 pm

    Bhai Hubbles Law came in 1929 after 10 years of research and before that Einstein, Friedman and even before that Newton / others had clearly laid out modern physical concepts. Indeed when Iqbal was in Europe, it was a very exciting time of scientific discovery and thought. No doubt he was affected and tried to echo those thoughts through his poetry, he did a good job, he did inspired many muslims to think outside the box and thats his greatest achievement, but he was no physicist and never claimed to be one.

    He was a thinker, I dont think he ever found all the answeres.

  28. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:23 pm

    Ham kiss gali ja rahay hain, (by atif aslam)

  29. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:50 pm

    shamsi, hhee, got your point.

  30. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 8th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm


    In order to go beyond the current confines of the mind and explore the next dimention, thought experiments are required. In a way, one can argue that einstien was a philosopher-scientist. While iqbal was no physicist, this thoughts on matter are intriguing and sometimes agree with and sometimes oppose einstien’s theories.
    Einstein for example never believed in quantum entanglement. Subsequently, it has proven to be true. Iqbal also eludes to the concept of quantum entanglement and butterfly effect in his writings.
    And while it is true that Iqbal was no scientist, he was a great thinker and a one of the most powerful minds to come out of the east.

  31. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 12:10 am

    Exactly…..since the original post was so screwed up, every body is talking about anything other than that.

  32. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 12:20 am

    Now I get it, this is the reason why this country is so entangled….hmmmmm…..:( …!!!

  33. ALAM (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 12:23 am



    You can interpret any poetry into anhything, ok? Is it any wonder that years ago, I saw an article explaining how Ghalib knew all physics. Is it any wonder that all holy books (Nostradamus’ included) have been interpreted beyond their intentions?

    I am a great fan of Faiz, but I wont ever be stupid enough to re-interpret his work as modern Physics, and u know why? Because unlike Iqbal’s readers, Faiz have an intelligent audience, who knows Faiz place in modern literature, and are quite happy with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Let me say, Iqbal is the Abdul Qadeer Khan of Urdu poetry. Enough said !

  34. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 1:01 am

    ALAM interesting analogy. Do you mean like Qadeer Khan he also got some stuff from the west and implanted it here?

  35. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 1:12 am


    If you read the link i had posted above, you would note that iqbal directly talkes about reality, time, matter and space. This is not a case of recasting poetry to suit the subject matter. But the concepts are not easy to understand – esp the co-relation bit. Reading Iqbal required a lot of thinking and mental prowess. As a result, most take the easy way out and read ghalib and faiz who do not attempt to tackle such difficult topics as “reality” except allude to it in the most basic form. Iqbal is not to everyone’s taste, so i respect your right to not read him. But you will be doing yourself a disservice. There is a lot of knowledge is what the man has to say.

    PS Im a male. Not a female by any stretch of the imagination or reality :)

  36. ALAM (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 1:45 am


    No, I have read Iqbal. I have started my Urdu poetry (in childhood) with Iqbal’s deewans owned by my father, with his explanations written in footnotes. I was always enchanted by the vocabulory and the poetic flow of verses.

    As Ahmed Faraz says, Iqbal was a good poet only on pure linguistic and poetic basis. There I agree with him. But on ideological grounds and deep insight level, there is nothing in it.

    Whats in the article u want me to show? I have seen this article years ago. Again, living in Germany, at the exciting time re-birth of new physics, he came across scientific articles and inquiries, and tried to map onto Quran. People have done this with all religous or non-religous ambiguous texts for a long time. Whats the new thing? Enlighten me.

  37. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 1:53 am


    Before i enlighten you, tell me what you know of some of the basic concepts of membrane theory and quantum entanglement. Else, i would be wasting my time.
    If you dont know much about them, then i suggest you read up a bit and then also re-read iqbal. And then we may take our discussion even beyond iqbal, far far away into space…yet be very close to the heart.

  38. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 2:07 am

    ALAM you still don’t get it Man! its all about quantum entanglement and butterflies. You simply cant comprehend, how an indepth study of Bang-e-dara takes you to the other side of a hole oh! sorry I mean a black hole, where you can observe butterflies roaming in a celestial garden all entangled with each other in a desparate mating frenzy.

  39. Kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 2:29 am

    Yawwwwnnnnnnn……Ah well.

  40. HASSAN' (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 2:50 am

    Feeling sorry for them.

  41. ALAM (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 3:06 am


    I got it, man. Thanks.


    One word to u: After rteading the deewans of Iqbal, come up with the next scientific theory in Physics. For once, for god sake, come up with somethign new and unheard-of, based on your sacred texts. Don’t wait for the secular scietists to discover something for you that ur Quran and Baal-e-Jibril have already mentioned in terms that only u and certain few others are capable of understanding

  42. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 3:33 am


    There are no “secular” or “non-secular” scientists. There are just scientists. You would do well to not try and blame everything on Islam. Until you open your mind, you will keep wasting your energy and wage imaginary battles in your own head againt islam. And im willing to bet that when you are dead, islam still lives on.
    And read what i wrote once again if you may. There is a link between philisophical thought and scientific discoveries. These are called thought experiments. What Iqbals text reveals is the way his mind was processing thought was in line with what was to come years later. This is one hell of a brain if you ask me.

    As far as Quran goes, then quran itself asks the followers to go and seek knowledge. And the first 3 words revealed to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were READ, READ, READ. No where does it say stop reading. So once again, for heavens sake stop blaming islam for your own shortcomings if you dont like to seek knowledge.

  43. ali (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 4:11 am

    these firecrackers should be banned in the first place for noise and environmental pollution..had these celebrations taken place in a developed country, the people carrying them out would have to pay a heavy sum at the least

  44. ALAM (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 4:22 am


    Wake me up, when u win the next nobel price in Physics based on ur investigation of Quranic and Iqbal’s verses.

    I have heard and read nothing original today. Every christian nut on web also talks about the same thing from Nostradmus and Bible.


  45. .!. (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 5:09 am


    Iqbal’s book the reconstruction of religious thoughts in Islam, was only published in English in his life time, he never got it translated in to Urdu.
    Reason: when iqbal disussed his book contents with Islamic scholars of his time, they unanimously adviced him not to publish this book in URDU because this book has some controversial thoughts which are against the islamic idealogy.


    This book was never publised in his life time in Urdu language it means he betrayed his FOLLOWERS(URDU READERS WHO WERE UNABLE TO READ HIS BOOK PUBLISHED IN ENGLISH).

    he didnt have courage to open up his work to the masses, he knew that he would be condemned by the general public for writing something that according to him COMMON MEN wouldnt be able to comprehend.

    Now tell me how many people in this country understand PHYSICS’ THEROIES and how many ppl could you find who are interested in reading PHILOSOPHY???

    but when you asked ppl in the street that do they like Allama iqbal, 9 OUT OF 10 PPL wud say YES.

    conclusion: our nation or whole muslim world likes to follow thinsg blindly. They are bigoted believers who are not even interested in understanding the QURAN.

    Iqbal or Jinnah they exploited common men.


    We ourselves have carved SO MANY IDOLS and we keep praising them just for nothing.

  46. Reality_Check (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 5:55 am

    Bhai There is nothing wrong with Iqbal, he was an outstanding poet, a confused scholar and a loyal subject of the Viceroy. He did his thing and left the world not knowing that people will fight over him after he was gone.

  47. kaduna2003 (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    @ !

    I do agree with you that our people tend to follow blindly and will use any excuse to avoid using the mind. And given the fact that even now, most people have trouble grasping the deeper meanings of iqbal, it was probably a wise decision in hindsight to not pulish the works in urdu and focus on the task at hand ie political struggle of the indian muslims.

    I do not however agree with you that iqbal and jinnah exploited the common man. They did not enrich themselves in anyway and in the case of Jinnah, lost a considerable amout of his own wealth in the process. Pakistanis are a thankless people. We owe iqbal and jinnah a debt we will never be able to repay for the gift of pakistan. If you have ever lived outside pakistan, only then to do realise the enormity of the gift of freedom.

    Pakistan is ours to make of it what we will. We need to improve and as a first step, get rid of leaders such as bezamir, nawaja and altafa if we are to get anywhere.

  48. ALAM (unregistered) on October 9th, 2007 @ 9:51 pm


    *** They did not enrich themselves in anyway and in the case of Jinnah, lost a considerable amout of his own wealth in the process.

    How do u know? Boosting one’s ego at the expense of millions of people by giving them false hope and ideals, is criminal and corruptive.

    Instead of making Muslims realize their stupidity in not assimilating themselves with the rest of the ppl, getting education, and living in a competitive society, both leadres were busy in demanding quota/reservation for minorities (remember Jesse Jackson type fools here in USA? ), and then a seperate land, which was supposed to help their feudal friends (the unionist party behaved the same way as Q league today)

  49. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on October 11th, 2007 @ 12:42 am

    @ ALAM –

    Shame on you, what you been drinking lately, gulp some kerosene and stuff yourself in a Microwave, you $^%&*&^**^%#@!@%&()(*&%$#@@#%*())*&^%$#@#$%^&JERK you compared Tun BABA of sialkot with FATHER OF ISLAMIC BOMB…….

    Comparing Tahira syed with Monica Lewinsky makes sense, comparing Altaf with Bal Thackery equates, in what state of mind you compared AQ KHAN with Iqbal……..??

    The chance to exist after 2002 stand off is beacuse of AQ KHAN, we have survived rather challanged adversary to see the white of eyeball in dark because we had what AQ Khan have developed and Gifted.

    – did someone read – the Loser Mubarak Mand contract is not extended and he is been retiring from NESCOM in next 60 days. —

    ALAM being foreigner (yes all those pakistanis who are naturalised citizens of other country are foreigners) you OWE US an apology…. ! on such a lame comparison

    NO offenece & no personal vendetta….

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