Honourable Justice Naan

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  1. HITMAN (hitman) on October 14th, 2008 @ 11:33 am

    if the news u cited is correct then be assured that its not a plan against urdu speaking or mohajirs only, its the plan against karachi & whole Pakistan. It doesn’t matter if mahajirs, pathans, punjabis or others get killed, as long as its a kill , its a destabilization move & thats what our enemies want.


  2. shoaib on October 14th, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

    @HITMAN
    Good to know your views. Yes this is what every person in Sindh wants, complete harmony to counter this threat. Lets fight the war together.


  3. kaami on October 14th, 2008 @ 10:56 pm

    On one hand I do agree that cursing one community or the other is not the right way forward, because we do need each other to survive and get through this rough patch.

    That being said, I am also not the who would put all the blame on some invisible enemy or conveniently an Indian hand. For me its very clear;

    1/ Taliban is a 100% Pakistani creation.
    2/ It’s an experiment gone bad.
    3/ Taliban thrived in a society whose 40% population was under 14 years of age as a result of three decades of conflict.
    4/ Its initial mentors PPP and JUI lost control of it a long time back.
    5/ Don’t know how much Saudi Govt Influence is still there.
    6/ Mr. Sharif the Saudi prodigy in Pakistan still has contacts with Taliban, but don’t know how effective. Don’t know how much he would want to use them to black mail and political leverage.
    7/ Saudia is desperately trying to separate them for Al-Q.

    Even if they managed that;

    The Moulvi’s now leading Taliban do not believe in working women, modern medicine, vaccination, music and the arts and they surely cannot tolerate any other school of thought other than theirs so Shia’s and even non-Wahaabi Sunni sects are open game for them. They have ruthlessly shown that in Afghanistan before US invasion and they are doing the same currently in the Northern Areas. The Jirgaa that was bombed by a suicide bomber was of Shia tribes gathered to discuss what to do about an eviction noticed issued to them by the Taliban.

    So Gentlemen, we finally have a very clearly defined enemy not any ambiguous one, but, if you still choose to believe in conspiracy theories then it’s your option.


  4. khaled on October 15th, 2008 @ 2:46 am

    @ mastqalandar
    BB kai mernay per PPP nahi ANP aur Pathan sab maidan may thay aur karachi kay logo ko un ki auqat yaad dila rahay thay, acha hoa MQM maidan may nahi aye werna is ko bhi mohajir pathan sindhi fisaad bana ker MQM per daal dia jata 27 dec an eye opener for mohajir community they realize if no MQM they will be crushed looted murdered and raped easily, and this is the reason you are asking where were MQM ??


  5. mastqalandar on October 15th, 2008 @ 8:20 am

    khaled,

    yai dekho bhi logon kai kaam…
    http://epaper.dawn.com/ArticleText.aspx?article=15_10_2008_118_003

    police main bhartee hokar bhee loot mar sai baaz nahee aey.

    sirf iss liey yai log police main bhartee hoey hain. Pahley to galian detay they police ko kah paindo-on sai bharee hai, abb to apney hee logon sai bharee hai, abb kiss ko ro-oo gey?


  6. cyrenity on October 15th, 2008 @ 9:20 am
  7. HITMAN (hitman) on October 15th, 2008 @ 11:04 am

    @kaami
    1- There is a difference b/w the talibans who r fighting coalition forces in afghanistan & those who r against Pakistan & fighting the Pk army here. Lets not confuse them to be the same. They r different & I am all for afghani talibans since thats what they should be doing. However there is no justification for fighting inside Pk. Hence I am all for the elimination of so called Pakistani Talibans.
    2- N o, thats not the experiment which has gone bad. The policy, in my opinion, was correct considering those circumstances, but it was a failure of administration/ management/ deiplomacy not the policy itself.

    Indian agents utilizing the youths for suicide bombings & destabilization r not conspiracy theories, they r proven fact & yes, unfortunately our weakness & lack of vision is to be equally blamed as of foreign hands. So we must struggle on both fronts, domestic & foreign. Our enemies want us to consider only domestic issues so that their agenda gets completed. Lets not fall for that.


  8. kaami on October 16th, 2008 @ 2:53 am

    @HITMAN
    Sorry Mate but I don’t get the distinction. Soon there will be Punjab Taliban and Sindh Taliban. Then Punjab Taliban will be different then NWFP Taliban? Burma would be behind Punjab Taliban while the invisible hand behind Sindh Taliban will be that of Korea?

    Mind you, you are talking about Indian hand in an area where you can only go if you are someone’s relative or a local or an Arab terrorist. I again repeat both Afghan and Pakistan Taliban’s cannot tolerate shia’s, sufi’s, working women, unshaven men, schools, polio vaccinators, music, arts and sciences. Not to mention they subscribe to the absurd fatwa by which suicide bombing could be deemed ok, whereas, the religion has clearly said its haraam What can I say if you can still find any justification ……

    Also, let me remind you that coalition forces are there because Taliban have given refuge to the most wanted terrorist “Mr. Crackpot Laden” and his crazy cohorts. Their territory is being used to launch attacks on other nations, that include not only US but most of central Asia, China, India, Russia, countries in Africa, UK and now Pakistan. So the right thing to do would be to reign in Mr. Laden, bring him to justice and show the world that Muslims don’t subscribe to terrorists and senseless killers. Unlike Iraq coalition forces in Afghanistan are there under UN umbrella, and they contain nice friendly countries like Canada and Holland, they are not there to conquer but to help out and half of the Persian speaking Afghanistan (savagely persecuted under Taliban rule) is benefiting from their presence. Schools are being built, women are contributing to the society and most of all there is no mass killing in that part of the country. All that is needed in Afghanistan is to make peace, which is readily available, and of course, give up terror.

    What we as a nation must say with one voice to our neighbours and northern bros is, “STOP! What you are doing is wrong. We no longer can support it or allow it to continue.”
    But unfortunately, certain so called religio-political leaders, hand in hand with Zia’s legacy military men want not only to maintain the status quo but have designs to export chaos all over the world. They pose a real danger to the very fabric of our already beleaguered society.


  9. khaled on October 16th, 2008 @ 2:56 am

    @ mastqalandar

    Who told you that policeman was newly appointed and infact was Mohajir ?

    The guy was an old Cop mind it and it was mentioned in the article you posted here.

    @cyrenity

    Ummat newspaper is not only sponsored by Hameed Gul ISI factor but also influenced by Jamat e Islami.

    Ummat has no following the world media and Talibans themselves claiming to be strong in karachi.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqIhQvDEp90

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSB7mQzObOY

    http://sirfkarachi.blogspot.com/2008/10/talibanization-of-pakistans-biggest.html

    and to be honest the time when they would come out on the streets of karachi people like you won’t have a place to hide yourselves and that time you will leaving for your Pind.


  10. kaami on October 16th, 2008 @ 3:34 am

    Oh I forgot – you said "policy was correct under the circumstances."

    What! You create a militia of juvenile youth who not seen anything but war in their lives. Brain wash them to inculcate hate and intolerance. Motivate them to kill instead of teaching them how to heal and re-build their fractured country.

    My friend after the second World War many nations were totally destroyed and experienced worst war crimes. China/ Korea suffered at the hands of Japan. Poland was literally wiped out, millions died a whole generation was killed. Look at Vietnam civil war and the war with US literally levelled their country. But they didn’t loose their head. Instead all of these nations worked hard and progressed. They did not become suicidal maniacs.

    But our screwed up policy sponsored by Saudia Arabia destroyed any chance of bringing Afghanistan back to its feet and now its eating us from inside like a cancer.


  11. HITMAN (hitman) on October 16th, 2008 @ 10:55 am

    I stand by my words. You like to quote history dont u? Would u mind telling me how was the Taliban period for pakistan? I m not supporting the idea of talibanization in Pakistan but for us their rule in afghanistan had nothing to do -vely with us. Poppy growth 0% . Peace in 95% of afghanistan. It was not the fault of pakistan, it was the fault of the remaining world that they didnt accept them & didnt come to help them when they needed. Talibans had no expansion agenda. They were not going to invade a country. Yes they harbored Osama, but they never said that we wont hand it over,they agreed to hand him over to some 3rd party Islamic country if USA provided proof. I bet u believe that he was behind it but funny thing is that the CIA most wanted list of terrorists contains him but not because of 9/11 but some other bombings. He is not charged in 9/11. He is not
    Osama is dead anyway, Even Musharraf believed that he was dead


    Osama bin Laden is the leader of the Al Qaeda terrorist network, and is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States embassies in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. Osama and Al-Qaeda are also responsible for the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, which killed 17. Although bin Laden also later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on Oct. 10, 2001, he was listed there for the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000, because the most wanted lists name individuals charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury. Bin Laden has been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his role in the September 11 attacks.
    . So how do u expect some 1 to handover his guest without a proof?


  12. HITMAN (hitman) on October 16th, 2008 @ 11:01 am

    btw, y is the pain for whatever Taliban did INSIDE afghanistan? That was their country, no 1 is supposed to tell them what they should do to their citizens. Does any other nation take dictation from outsiders on how to rule their citizens? (except for Pak). So it was not our problem as far as they didnt poke into our business which they never actually did.


  13. khaled on October 16th, 2008 @ 2:33 pm

    @ Hitman

    First of all Talibans were created armed and supported by the Pakistani agencies for their vasted intrests in Afghanistan, All the soo called talibans including Mulla Omer are part of madaris of Pakistan and these talibans were supported by only Pakistan and Saudia as Saudia is sponsor of Wahabi sect all over the world, killing jehadis in Saudia threat to kingdom and supporting them all around the world.What a hypocrites saudis are.

    Secondly these talibans are also involved in sectarian warfare inside Pakistan as well, infact refused to handover Riaz Basra to Pakistani Gov by saying he is Mujahid when Gen Rtd Moin uddin Haider himself ent to afhanistan and handed over list of people involved in sectarian war in pakistan.

    Time will teach you and people like you lesson Hitman the policies of soo called jehad will led to the destruction of pakistan and i guess time is running out fast.


  14. cyrenity on October 16th, 2008 @ 4:02 pm

    @khaled,if this is the case so why would i believe a news coming from mqm london unit, if you really got a brain inside your skull you can understand better what actually talibanization is and who are actually fighting with Pakistan Army.


  15. cyrenity on October 16th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

    @khaled, btw your blog is full of racism.


  16. khaled on October 16th, 2008 @ 5:03 pm

    who said that is my blog ????


  17. cyrenity on October 16th, 2008 @ 5:54 pm

    @khaled, ALLAH na kere metblog per tumara blog ho, i am talking about the one you heavily writing about talibanization in karachi, it seems like purpose is marketing talibanization campaign other than blogging!


  18. shoaib on October 16th, 2008 @ 7:24 pm

    @cyrenity
    Allah Kare yeh Khalid ka blog ho, yeh ham sab ka blog ho, her karachi wale ka blog ho. Yeh blog sirf woh present kare jo karachi wale chahtay hain aur karachi wale talibanization nahee chahtay and its for sure.


  19. kaami on October 17th, 2008 @ 2:51 am

    @HITMAN
    Who doesn’t say that Taliban movement was not successful in achieving some sort of order in Afghanistan, in fact that was the main objective of its Pakistani mentors who saw a wind fall of billions if work on the Central Asian Oil Pipeline project could be started, by securing Afghanistan. But the problem was, that not even our brother muslim countries were buying this, so Pakistan & Saudia were the only ones who recognized Taliban rule. Rest of the world need not bother, some were willing to give them time to reform or at least embrace basic human standards before being considered for acceptance. Taliban’s brutality towards women and minorities was a main hurdle in this regard.

    But then came the fugitive Mr. Laden running from Sudan and seeking refuge in Jallalabad. At first he was picked up by Taliban who were suspicious of his motives, but then he developed a rapport with Mullah Omar and was granted refuge. But it was not an ordinary refuge; he was allowed to establish a franchise, setup training camps which attracted disgruntled Muslim youth (particularly Arabs) from across the world. In joined Pakistani Agencies who found it a perfect opportunity to introduce Jihaadi element in Kashmir, so the place go dotted with camps and the terror industry flourished. India raised hue and cry but nobody was listening to her. Mr. Clinton aborted Air strikes on Mr. Laden because he saw kids toys in the courtyard. And then Al-Qaeda managed to pull off 9/11. As Mr. Aitzaz Ahsan has said, “It was something un-imaginable, hence, was successful. Nobody in the intelligence community imagined that this could happen.” There is no need to cover this up in conspiracy theories, all the Saudi / Egyptian perpetrators have been identified. The top brass of Al-Q has accepted responsibility via video messages and the link to this screwed up organization is clearly established. Even if Mr. Laden is dead it doesn’t make a difference because the organization and the hierarchy is in tact. Furthermore, they act as a loose franchise of extremist Wahaabi groups and hence are much more dangerous and lethal.

    So coming back to Taliban, I agree if they continued to beat up there women then nobody would have gone beyond condemnation or would have just ignored them. But when you let your territory become a hub for attracting crack pots and exporting terror around the world then it becomes a problem for everyone. Especially, when someone using your hospitality strikes out and brings down the two towers, then the debris will also come your way.

    You said, “So how do u expect some 1 to handover his guest without a proof?”

    My Question. How could you let a foreign guest, setup camp, invite thousands, give them military training, teach them terror tactics, preach hate, accept responsibility for their actions and then ask for proof?


  20. HITMAN (hitman) on October 17th, 2008 @ 9:51 am

    One of the biggest problem for US with Taliban was the 0% poppy growth. CIA used to earn a hefty amount thorough it & it was one of their source of fundings for their covert operations. wow I cant believe that there r still some ppl left that who still think that AlQaeda or Osama was behind 9/11? Even the americans have their opinions changed that 911 was sure an inside job. I mentioned in my previous post that Osama is not charged for 911 attacks. So destroying a whole country for 1 man who US have not yet convicted is accpetable or understandable? & Pardon me buyt I think wahabism has nothing to do with Taliban? They r of deobandi sect & as far as I know, they dont really like wahabis or whatever. The video which u r mentioning was fake. Even a kid can tell that the person was not Bin Laden in that video. Mind checking this link .

    Anyway I dont say we must not correct our mistakes or weaknesses, I am saying that we should also be dealing with the foreign hands which btw is not just c. theories but a proven fact. So if u still insist that we must keep on killing the heck out of ppl in FATA & everything will be fine, then I will pray for u. The problem with air strikes is that it doesn’t identify b/w innocents & culprits hence it further radicalize those who r left standing. I am ok with the flushing of armed foreigners & terrorists but those who r willing to cooperate, y airstrikes on them? If US has a problem with crossborder intrusions then she should deal with it inside the afghan boundaries. Simple solution: kill those who r corssing the borders illegally if u want but dont mess up further by remote controlled air strikes which gain nothing.


  21. HITMAN (hitman) on October 17th, 2008 @ 11:01 am

    As Mr. Aitzaz Ahsan has said, “It was something un-imaginable, hence, was successful. Nobody in the intelligence community imagined that this could happen.
    This was not unimaginable. They showed it in movies. They always thought that this could be done & they did analyze its impact. Armageddon, AI these movies depicts destruction of WTC & it was before 911. There were other movies too which I dont remember. So this was not some out of the box stuff.


  22. barristerakc on October 17th, 2008 @ 11:14 am

    Shoaib and Kami, I agree with your points.
    Hitman,

    This is ridiculous. USA does not care two hoots about Pakistan and has no intention to attack it. Too many people, a few nukes and no (much at least) oil. It is simply not worth the bother.

    HITMAN, Don`t be an apologist for mullahs as they are indefensible. I agree with commentators that it will get worse before things could be improved. A civil war is staring us, unless we meekly decide to hand it all over to the Taliban without fighting. Such a scenario will sent a chill in the spine of whole world – a nuclear weapon state with a large (although an indiscipline and corrupt military) being ruled by an irrational fanatic lot. Only solution is to completely eliminate religion from public life and secular affairs.


  23. barristerakc on October 17th, 2008 @ 11:21 am


    HITMAN that’s such a quick and cheap excuse by those who cannot deal with the facts of the matter by using the label "conspiracy".

    Word of Advice: STOP WATCHING STAR PLUS !


  24. khaled on October 17th, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

    @ cyrenity

    This blog is for the people of karachi i was born here and sooner or later will be burried in this soil, nor my body would sent to my pind nor i am sending any money to my pind.

    Secondly how come writing against Talibans become racism ??

    @ barristerakc

    The people who are supporintg talibans even don’t want talibans for themselves they just want talibans to be used against there politicals opponents speacially Mohajirs and MQM.

    the dirty face of these anti Mohajir and Anti Karachi people can be seen here.

    Golden words from PTI workers.

    Use AL Qaeda and Talibans to eleminate MQM in karachi.

    insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/27148/view/topic/Default.aspx

    Shame on these people


  25. HITMAN (hitman) on October 17th, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

    No, I dont watch Star Plus. I even dont know what they air on it which u thinks make minds conspiracy oriented. Mind enlighten us?
    On the other hand, there is a difference b/w attacking & occupying. USA dont want to occupy us, I agree. but u cannot rule out the possibility of attack against Pakistan whether covert or full scale bombing. Why this is possible? Ur response contains the answer: a nuclear weapon state with a large (although an indiscipline and corrupt military) being ruled by an irrational fanatic lot
    Dont agree with me, but this is the scenario that is being created around us, to give an excuse for such attack. I said that we must deal with the fanatics who r up in arms against state didn’t I?. but at the same time we must also deal with the foreign hands who r bent upon destabilizing the country.
    & where did I took sides with the mullahs? I m keep saying that deal @ both fronts. Mullah Extremes & Non Mullah Extremes, Religious Fanatics & Secular Fanatics, Domestic as well as Foreign elements.


  26. barristerakc on October 17th, 2008 @ 1:01 pm


    @khalid bhai, marain humaray dushman! :)


  27. cyrenity on October 17th, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

    barristerakc, who you call your enemy, anyone who got different views is your enemy? mashALLAH, that’s how mqm distinguish between enemies and friends, get out of you god fahter lap and learn from the world. what is an enemy and what makes someone your friend.

    @khaled,kaami,barrister,

    and finally Talibanization in Karachi doesn’t really makes sense. haha, it’s non-sense.

    p.s. i am sure you won’t call army for help if talibans start operating here ;)


  28. khaled on October 17th, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

    @ Cyrenity

    Talibans are product of Punjabi mentality and we know they try to invade karachi and will use talibans so that karachi becomes part of Greater Punjab but all this will be failed INSHAHALLAH and when we crush them just think where you will go ??
    Your Pind ??

    US Top General points towards Punjabi talibans destabilizing Afghanistan.

    ejang.jang.com.pk/10-17-2008/pic.asp?picname=03_01.gif

    Now the whole world realise who are the real terrorists causing terrorism in the World, DOn’t worry cyrenity don’t take my writings seriously the time is running out for punjab and the world and UN will sooner or later points towards punjab as the hub of world and soo called jehadi terrorism.


  29. mastqalandar on October 17th, 2008 @ 9:59 pm

    guys,

    why would Taliban want to finish MQM? are you guys nuts?

    is it MQM who is fighting Taliban in Afghanistan?

    To Finish MQM, you don’t need to do any efforts. Just let them free and they will finish themselves, just like they killed Azeem Tariq, Khalid bin Waleed, etc. The ones who would survive would be corrupt criminals, who don’t care shit and all they care is that they are making money.

    MQM gets strong when somebody acts on it. Just let them free and they will vaproize like Sarwar Awan.

    Why would Altaf Hussain be instilling fear of Taliban?
    – Get the people behind MQM, because there is no other idealogy to beat the drums for…(lost cause of Muhajir, then lost cause of Mutahida), so he had to come-up with a cause to survive.
    – Get our Aqaaa to give importance to Altaf Hussain (or $$$$)
    – Take people of Karachi away from Islam. So Islam becomes no more than a house pet.


  30. mastqalandar on October 17th, 2008 @ 10:10 pm

    BTW,

    Since Talibans are coming to Karachi to fight and die, why is Altaf Hussain still sitting in London?

    He doesn’t have guts to face Taliban? (let alone Haqiqi)

    or he can not find a size 68 diaper?


  31. khaled on October 18th, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    @ Mastqalanadar
    LOL

    MQM taking karachi people away from islam
    hahah
    is this a joke or something ???????

    Talibans and islam are 2 different things and if you are soo fond of talibans then the taliban system must be installed in Punjab first speacially in Lahore where Shahi Mohalla and brothels are present on every nook and corner .

    I still don’t understand why suiucide bombers never targeted any punjabi leader from punjab whether he was with mush or not ????????

    i also wonder why all the leaders of punjab are so fond of talibans but never asked them to come and established Taliban Laws in Punjab ?

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100901206.html


  32. mastqalandar on October 18th, 2008 @ 7:43 pm

    khaled,

    thats the beauty….

    Do you think Shaitan will be successful if he comes in front of you and ask you to prostrate him? He knows you will never.

    Similarly Shaitan knows that if he explicity asks us to not prostrate in front of Allah or not to believe in Allah, we will never.

    Shaitan will not come to you in a way that you will be able to realize his trick.

    Shaitan will come into your heart through the ports, that you will not be able to scan or block him.

    Trust me, he is not coming through port 80 and trust me there is no auto-firewall, you just have to be vigilant and pray to Allah that Shaitan doesn’t find an open port into your heart.


  33. cyrenity on October 19th, 2008 @ 2:29 pm

    @mastqalandar, there is a serious vulnerable port in khaled’s heart, port 420 namely mqm (alias haq-parast) ;)


  34. mastqalandar on October 21st, 2008 @ 1:41 am

    khaled,

    lagta hai sunni tehrik abhee bhee MQM kai galey main kantaa banee hoee hai….

    doosraa nishtar park kab kar wa rahee hai MQM?


  35. kaami on October 24th, 2008 @ 4:09 am

    @Mastqalandar
    I guess all your ports were wide open.

    Here I will give you some examples of real Devils, with blood of thousands if individuals on their hands:

    Osama Bin Laden, Aiman Al-Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, Baitullah Mahsood, Abdul Aziz, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Gen Hameed Gul and …



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